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[wiesshund]

 

 

But if you insult me and cast interspersion

Oh shut up already, you dont even know the meaning of what you are saying

[NitroNimbus]

 

 

 

But if you insult me and cast interspersion

Oh shut up already, you dont even know the meaning of what you are saying

 

Who the hell rattled your cage.

Not even the people you are trying to defend have liked one comment you have made.

I get it, you need to comment on everything.

But we have no history at all that warrants you getting involved or taking sides.

You have posted 7724 times on this site alone and it tells me two things.

1. You have no life, but this

2. You have no life, but this

Ignore....

[Noah Fentz]

Hi everyone!

 

I'm thinking we're better than this, no? Do we need a 'roster change'?

 

Warnings issued.

 

Carry on.

 

 

[wiesshund]

Who the hell rattled your cage.

 

 

No one
If you have mistaken this for rattled, you're in for a suprize

 

 

Not even the people you are trying to defend have liked one comment you have made.

 

? I'm sorry, was there a rule that we had to click like on everything?
Might work differently at your house, but here, we usually keep that for content releases/updates, tutorials, fixes etc.

 

 

But we have no history at all that warrants you getting involved or taking sides.

 

Interesting logic
So you dont know me, so if i punched your Mom in the head, you would not take sides?
Interesting but strange logic.

 

 

You have posted 7724 times on this site alone and it tells me two things.

1. You have no life, but this

2. You have no life, but this

 

Only 7724?
Damn, i will have to step up my game.
I will have to fit it in between the other things that i must only be imagining that i am doing
since i have no life but this.
Say... This means, i dont have to go to work! I'm down with that.

[NitroNimbus]

Hi everyone!

 

I'm thinking we're better than this, no? Do we need a 'roster change'?

 

Warnings issued.

 

Carry on.

 

 

Warning accepted and noted, I will not comment or reply to this post again.

I concede, It was not my intention to start an augment. But I do feel I got the short straw.... 

[smaugdragon]

I sincerely enjoy the new FizX. Played a few tables with the new work and was very impressed. No more floaty ball, and you can customize things to meet your play style better. Incredible work here Terry, thank you for all you do!

[TerryRed]

FizX for Future Pinball - BAM

 

- Basic walkthrough and quick first demo of Sonic Pinball Mania -

 

I've been busy learning how to add FizX to FP tables, and the results (when you get to play them) are awesome. I'm simply not good at tweaking physics (I prefer the "creative" stuff), but I still can't believe these are my own releases being played on FP.

 

This video demo isn't the greatest showcase. I'm not the best player with FizX as I'm still "adjusting" compared to old FP physics, but I think it shows some of the big differences there are with the flippers, slings, rubbers, and the weight of the ball, and other improvements.

 

You really need to play it to "feel" the difference... especially when you go back and try the same table without FizX!

 

Coming Soon to PinEvent V2 tables!

 

To clarify.... yes the "fps=" is supposed to be 592 (like the instructions say).... not 596 like I had typed in. Read the friggin instructions as I said... haha.

 

https://youtu.be/eQ3VpJNrxXQ

 

Edited by TerryRed, 16 August 2022 - 02:09 PM.

[TerryRed]

Sonic Pinball Mania (PinEvent V2 - FizX) - Future Pinball - BAM

 

1.4 - FizX update! Now Available!

 

The highly anticipated first PinEvent V2 table to use the new FizX physics system for FP is here! The days of FP's old physics are gone!

 

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FizX

 

This table has been fully updated with FizX for game changing new physics on Future Pinball. The old Future Pinball physics are GONE! FizX uses techniques similar to nFozzy on VPX to completely change the physics for the flippers, slings, rubbers, targets, ball behavior and more that allows this table play much more realistically than anyone ever thought was possible on Future Pinball.

 

You will be amazed at the difference!

 

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FizX Profiles and settings

 

You can easily choose from different preset FizX physics settings in the table script. Some use a higher FPS for the physics (this requires a fast PC), others use stronger flippers!

You aren't limited by this however. You can change all of FizX's settings to completely tweak and adjust the physics to your own preference!

 

Read the Install Instructions for more information.

 

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Changelog (v1.4)

 

- updated entire table for FizX physics

- added plastics reflective layer

- added new GI shadows layer

- added second stage flippers option

- added speed booster to right wireramp to ensure ball completes loop if hitting bots

- fixed Ball Saver not activating when launching a new ball (you can now adjust the time in TABLE OPTIONS)

 

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As always... READ the included Install Instructions for all the information you need. It also includes a FAQ that will answer most questions.

 

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I really hope you guys enjoy this major change with FP tables and how much better they can play now. I invite everyone who has never played FP before to give this a try. Many "VPX-only" testers have installed (or re-installed) FP just to try this, and they have been amazed at the difference. I think you will be too!

 

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You can get Sonic Pinball Mania (PinEvent V2 - FizX) here (once approved).

 

https://www.vpforums...&showfile=16524

 

[fripounet]

just out of curiosity I reinstalled FP to see this physics which tears everything apart....... thunderous announcement.

the general behavior for an old school EM or SS 80's table is correct but not at all revolutionary, it's really going to a lot of trouble for a weak result.

I expect behavior with modern tables ==> ramp crossings and multi-ball (full speed collision behavior)

anyway, you can't make new out of old. the time devoted to tweaking a hack (8 years) would have been more useful for a new start (Reverse engineering), from a blank page. especially since Rav had the capabilities, what a waste.

  Black took 3 years for this magnificent editor.

Edited by fripounet, 17 August 2022 - 06:38 PM.

[TerryRed]

just out of curiosity I reinstalled FP to see this physics that rocks everything.... thunderous announcement.

the general behavior for an old school EM or SS 80's table is correct but not at all revolutionary, it's really going to a lot of trouble for a weak result.

I expect behavior with modern tables ==> ramp crossings and multi-ball (full speed collision behavior)

anyway, you can't make new out of old. the time devoted to tweaking a hack (8 years) would have been more useful for a new start (Reverse engineering), from a blank page. especially since Rav had the capabilities, what a waste.

  Black took 3 years for this magnificent editor.

 

 

So I guess all these other people (including some talented VPX authors) who have actually tried this table (and other tables using FizX) must be crazy or fools for saying they see the massive improvements.

 

I guess everyone who has spent years improving VPX's physics (using it's same physics engine its had for many years) must also be fools for wanting to improve it.

 

FizX was something that was worked on (not full-time) over the last year.... and what was done is remarkable, and should not be downplayed or dismissed because you consider it a "waste" and want to rant about how you think ravarcade should have hacked open the FP exe and changed the program (illegally), or made a new program out of that code... and that all his work over the years is a waste. Real classy.

 

Until something better comes along (and VPE is a long ways off, and will still use nFozzy)... we work with what we have, and MANY people are very happy to see what has been done here. It will allow many of the high quality FP tables (that are more than just a playfield texture and no game code) to play MUCH better than before... and that is simply a good thing. 

Edited by TerryRed, 17 August 2022 - 06:39 PM.

[fripounet]

même  si la source est fermée   , on peut se douter de la façon qu'il a procédé.

c'est black qui a développé vp , donc le code source de fp ne doit etre pas très diffèrent , sauf qu'il utilise openGL https://learnopengl.com/ au lieu de directx , tout les elements utilisés sont des moteurs open source et divulgué dans l'interface de FP , il utilise une interface plus élégante mais maintenant avec QT on obtient des interfaces encore plus chiadées,  

Rav doit en avoir connaissance et ainsi creer lacouche d'integration , mais a préféré se servir du hack...c'est dommage.

 

even if the source is closed, one can suspect the way he proceeded.

 

it's black who developed vp, so the source code of fp should not be very different, except that it uses openGL https://learnopengl.com/ instead of directx, all the elements used are open source engines and disclosed in the interface of FP , it uses a more elegant interface but now with QT we obtain even more chic interfaces,

 

Rav must have known about it to create the integration layer, but preferred to use the hack...it's a shame.

Edited by fripounet, 24 August 2022 - 04:59 PM.

[fripounet]

 

 that are more than just a playfield texture and no game code 

 

 

))))))

 

a simple canson sheet and colored pencils are enough for me to generate the playfield, not even need a computer, at least if to scan my drawing.

anyway you don't know anything about me and what I do and what I don't want to do (if people need a baby sitter too bad for them).

on the other hand what I know of you, it is especially that you are a great pretentious

[RomKnight]

I think you should keep yourself to colouring books and remember, paint inside the lines.

[fripounet]

you made the school of laughter

[wiesshund]

même  si la source est fermée   , on peut se douter de la façon qu'il a procédé.

c'est black qui a développé vp , donc le code source de fp ne doit etre pas très diffèrent , sauf qu'il utilise openGL au lieu de directx , tout les elements utilisés sont des moteurs open source et divulgué dans l'interface de FP , il utilise une interface plus élégante mais avec QT on obtient des interfaces encore plus chiadées,  le moteur 3d doit etre une sorte de doom engine (très populaire à l'époque), black y avait consacré quelque développement.

Rav doit en avoir connaissance , mais a préféré se servir du hack...c'est dommage.

 

even if the source is closed, one can suspect the way he proceeded.

 

it's black who developed vp, so the source code of fp should not be very different, except that it uses openGL instead of directx, all the elements used are open source engines and disclosed in the interface of FP , it uses a more elegant interface but with QT we obtain even more chic interfaces, the 3d engine must be a kind of doom engine (very popular at the time), black had devoted some development to it.

 

Rav must have known about it, but preferred to use the hack...it's a shame.

 

Rav CANT reverse engineer it
It is Illegal
I think everyone understands the concept of Illegal?

 

Not sure what prompted your other response, i think you are reading something incorrectly

[fripounet]

decompilation is illegal.

though

Software users generally have the right to submit the software to reverse engineering to verify the security of the software and to correct any bugs. But in our case decompiling the .exe would be absolutely useless (totally confused code, incomplete .....)

  reverse engineering consists in obtaining the same result by different means, it is totally legal.

except images, layout subject to copyright ; for example create an identical gui, creating confusion between 2 different products (but similar...)  

 

rav could have used vpx or vp as a base and added the few features of fp (wired mode, real-time 3d cam movement....), not easy but allowed ; black did it practically alone in 3 years....

especially since rav must have the same level of programming as black

 

I read what google translates for me

 

 

"I think everyone understands the concept of Illegal?"   yes of course, for example using roms subject to copyright  

Edited by fripounet, 18 August 2022 - 08:26 AM.

[gimli246]

I sincerely hope FastDraw and Nitro play the tables as they are enabled with the new
Physics . I am excited and I see this as the natural evolution of FP and vpx (I suppose with nFozzy) .

Its ok to have a measure of skepticism but biases should be held loosely.

We are all in this for kicks so lets enjoy the ride a little.

I personally hate change but change is inevitable

I am creating an On-the-fly tweaking tool that may help the more jaded souls to test this and adjust the values in game to see the difference you can make

Edited by gimli246, 18 August 2022 - 01:02 PM.

[wiesshund]

Terry

 

Do you know if you at some point, will be updating any of your older tables to use this?
the straight non pinevent, non PUP tables
Like Aliens ultimate badass (DOF)

 

No rush, just wondering

 

eventually i will have to go and see how hard this might be to apply to existing tables
that i had already applied BAM physics to doing the physic.XML thing

[TerryRed]

There is a newer Ultimate Pro Aliens, that will.... eventually.... get a PinEvent V2 and FizX update.

[wiesshund]

There is a newer Ultimate Pro Aliens, that will.... eventually.... get a PinEvent V2 and FizX update.

 

How about a non pinevent?