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[TerryRed]

Thanks for updating us. There's nothing more frustrating on our end than when someone is trying their best to get FP-BAM working... and it almost always comes down to a Windows or driver related issue. That's something we can't really help much on most of the time, as everyone may have different things on on their PC that could cause issues.

 

Myself and George make guides to help as best we can... but outside of FP itself.. there's only so much we can do.

 

When you are feeling up to it... you can also give Pinevent tables a try. Again, I have a guide that will answer most questions, and it has a FAQ as well.

 

https://www.vpforums...oads&showcat=58

Edited by TerryRed, 13 February 2022 - 04:42 AM.

[Dilbflo]

After defeating the Nahimic driver I am ready to explore new heights, so I installed PinEvent and tried a first table, the famous F-14 cited also by Johnsypin. The graphics, video and audio are outstanding, but I have a problem. While the other BAM tables correctly show the backglass on my secondo monitor, F-14 with Pinevent let the second monitor black. I checked in the FP general preferences and the second monitor is selected for BG. Is there some further option for the PinEvent tables?

Thanks

[TerryRed]

What kind of setup? Desktop or cabinet?

 

Is pinupplayer installed and setup, and if so did you install the pup-pack, and run the Option BAT in the pup-pack folder meant for your setup?

[Dilbflo]

No cabinet, only a normal desktop with two monitors. The primary monitor is 27", at 1920*1080, the second one is 22, at 1680*1050.

I tried to follow your PDF installation guide for normal desktop (and actually at present I don't know anything about cabinets, pup packs and so on).

When trying your version of F-14, the table starts normally in the primary monitor, and runs wonderfully, with audio, video and all. But the second monitor remains black.

The normal (without PinEvents) tables that I tried in these days istead show the backglass on the secondo monitor without issues.

Maybe am I missing something in the PinEvent setup?

Thanks.

[johnsypin]

@terry red. i understand it must be frustrating as theres no way you can all know the proper settings for every hardware.

the good thing is this though the more reporting we do about crashes and fixes, the more we all learn and can bare this in mind for future builds of cabinets and tables.

i only have 1 thing left to adress now and its a pinball x issue, after an auto load setting it to start with windows my wheel images disapear and revert back to standard pinball x font....this only happens after a start with windows boot after closing it and opening it again its fine.

george h suggest to ask you. have you come across this oddity before?

 

@ dilbflo. i am going to try pinevent as my next addon (if its for cabinets).

yes the f 14 table is outstanding on future pinball as it has all the atmosphere of top gun with lots of classic lines from that movie and the multiball feels like an air dog fight between planes.

i love future pinball because it does a really good job on the part of the table writers of adding proper clear sounds and quotes from the movies.

vpx visual pinball while being still awesome too only uses low quality sound from the original roms used in the machines.

 

if you havnt tried apollo 13 on FP yet, give that a go, its 13 ball multiball is crazy and its really addictive trying to wack the ball into the rocket to start off said multiball.

 

have fun

Edited by johnsypin, 13 February 2022 - 06:38 PM.

[TerryRed]

My updated PinEvent version of F-14 U-Pro has a bunch of new stuff on it, like updated lighting, and new After Burner Music and Arcade mode PUPDMD display options.

 

On this video you see the different music options you can toggle and it also shows the pupdmd display that changes between modern and after burner style.

 

https://youtu.be/UH-dGygvixM?t=21

 

 

This video shows the newer lighting added after and also shows PUPStream working to display the pupdmd in FP on the the upper-left (which streams from the pup-pack / pupdmd shown on either another monitor, or from a dummy plug monitor).

 

https://youtu.be/boekJFtniwE?t=59

 

 

 

 

No cabinet, only a normal desktop with two monitors. The primary monitor is 27", at 1920*1080, the second one is 22, at 1680*1050.

I tried to follow your PDF installation guide for normal desktop (and actually at present I don't know anything about cabinets, pup packs and so on).

When trying your version of F-14, the table starts normally in the primary monitor, and runs wonderfully, with audio, video and all. But the second monitor remains black.

The normal (without PinEvents) tables that I tried in these days istead show the backglass on the secondo monitor without issues.

Maybe am I missing something in the PinEvent setup?

Thanks.

 

PinEvent tables are no different than any other FP table.... BUT... if you want to use the pup-pack / pupdmd options, then you need to have the second screen / FP Backglass and arcade mode disabled (so they don't obscure the pupdmd, or cause other issues.)

 

Read the PUPStream section in the PinEvent Install Guide if you want the pupdmd to show on the main game screen.

 

 

Keep in mind... for normal FP tables, enabling the "FP" Backglass / Second Screen in desktop mode, may cause FP or some tables to not run correctly (as this was intended for "Arcade / Cabinet mode").

Edited by TerryRed, 14 February 2022 - 12:38 AM.

[johnsypin]

@terry red.  thats really impressive and makes me want to build a new cabinet with the puppack triggered event screen in the middle instead of a standard dmd

like you have in the video.

i must apologise at this point as although ive been dipping in and out  this forum for a few years now ive only just been posting questions recently due to the crashing problem thats now solved.

while ive been getting my bareings. at first i didnt realise that im talking to the actual creators of these awesome programs ravarcade, george h and terry red.

thank you all so much for your time.

 

seeing pinevent in action is quite an eye opener. i have 2 questions.

 

1. is it possible to install it on my cabinet (pictured left) and have the table version and cool backglasses like the parallax scrolling clouds backglass in your (f 14) but in some way disable the pup event middle screen as mine is only "letterbox" DMD proportions..... hastnt to add. not that i want to as the middle pup event screen really brings it to life even more than a real machine. im gutted that mines not the right size

 

2. my second question is about the future pinball modified exe s that used to be used for the newer physics versions. 2.5, 2.6 ect ect

in an earlyer msg you mentioned not to use them anymore as there is now no longer any need for them.

 

so, is there a way to alter flipper streangth and table slope now within bam ? i ask because when i first set up my cabinet a long while back i noticed that the ball was floaty and took a little while to come back so i altered my tables flipper and slope values making the ball much more quicker and addictive to play with. something that worked particularly well with the "f-14" table and many others such as the "high speed" and "high speed 2 the getaway" tables. star wars and many more

i have noticed that with bam installed it no longer lets me save slope values anymore.

im wondering if theres a way to set a "one for all" value within bam so that all tables are using the same slope and flipper streangth ?

 

thanks so much for your help and time its greatly apreciated

 

johnsypin

[TerryRed]

Yah... much has changed with FP and BAM and physics.

 

I have a section in my FP and BAM Mega Guide that talks about this.... and that BAM lets you change physics now in the table script. and dynamically per table. No need for xml file or hacked EXE ,etc.

 

You can read on my page here about updating a table to what we call DF1 (dynamic flippers / physics 1):

 

https://pinballnirva...ll-table.20002/

 

...and GeorgeH also has his own guide as well:

 

https://pinballnirva...-physics.20001/

 

This is fairly easy to add to a table, and make dramatic improvements.

 

That said, JLou is currently finishing off the much newer (and more realistic) DF2 physics which not only improves FP's flippers and physics, but adds more options for tuning many things... similar to nFozzy type methods.

 

 

As far as PinEvent.... all my PinEvent releases have an option for displaying the pupdmd on the Backglass for all aspect ratios. I currently do support LCD DMD as well like your setup... but that will be going away in the new upcoming version, as DMDext support's FP now, and you can just mirror the FP DMD on your DMD space, while also enjoying the pupdmd on the BG.

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Edited by TerryRed, 14 February 2022 - 09:31 PM.

[GeorgeH]

It was really strange.  Terry and I each wrote these tutorials with no idea what the other was doing.  We ended up producing the same thing and posting them hours apart from each other.  The only significant difference is that the values in our XMLs are quite different.  

[johnsypin]

@terry red and george h

 

its physics magic.

 

ive been busy so not been here for a little while but at the end of my fixes i did enter the new physics and dynamic flipper code to a table.

its awesome, now the ball has sufficiant wieght and the flippers are so much more accurate. now we can hit what we are aiming for more times and the tables play nice and fast.

 

i promptly entered this code into every table that didnt already have it and this has improved future pinball no end.

 

thanks terry red and georgeh. this is awesome

Edited by johnsypin, 14 March 2022 - 06:44 PM.

[TerryRed]

• some users have reported needing to set FPLoader.exe to Win 8 Compatibility settings to prevent FP/BAM from crashing
• everyone needs to run FPLoader.exe at least once as Administrator, but some may need to set this permanently
• some users may need to remove / disable the "Nahimic driver" and all processes it runs as it causes FP/BAM (and other apps) to crash. This driver is related to audio enhancements, and may be automatically installed on your system (by Windows) depending on your motherboard

[johnsypin]

yes i do find that windows 8 compatibility works best, tried and tested.

 

its great that youve included our findings on the audio driver into your guide and noted that windows 10 puts them there as this will be very helpfull to those faceing this issue.

simply disable or uninstall the windows provided audio driver and replace it with the one for your exact audio chip.

 

here are 2 other bumps in the road cabinet users may face when upgrading to windows 10 and the solutions for fixing them.

 

VPX visual pinball. index out of range error....

fix.  move mouse onto backglass and click, on the screen that appears. click to toggle "start as exe" on or off

 

pinball x wheel logos vanishing and reverting to standard pinball x font

fix.   go to windows 10 settings/storage...switch off storage sense. it was pointed out to me today by another helpfull member that windows storage sense clears cache files. this fixed the issue