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[mopebe]

Hallo JP und Wiesshund, habe grade die neue Version runtergeladen und ausprobiert. Großes Kompliment!!! Der Tisch spielt sich so, wie ich es von Fliptronic-Tischen in Erinnerung habe. Und er hört sich genauso furchtbar an, wie das Original :-)  Ein Detail ist mir aufgefallen: Der Abschuss der Kugel erfolgte durch einen kleinen Plunger. Der Zulauf der Kugel wurde durch einen Drahtbügel reguliert, der sich auf dem seitlichen Zulauf befand und die Kugel für den Plunger freigab, indem er sich absenkte. Aber das sind wirklich Peanuts. Wichtig ist, dass sich der Tisch sehr realitätsnah spielen lässt. Vielen lieben Dank für diese tolle Umsetzung.

[jpsalas]

 In my first version of the table, I added a small gate to release the ball, but by looking at the playfield we couldn't see any holes, so that's why we thought that the table had to turn off electricity of the table's objects and scoring when game over. 

[haggi]

Thanks to jpsalas and wieshund for the implementation of the table and the backglass.

 

The table plays intriguing.

The score display looks unique.(I would like to see some lights in the backglass)

[wiesshund]

 

(I would like to see some lights in the backglass)

 

It's rather boring (The real light i mean)
You would have to create something and then write the B2S routine to run it

 

Just a single bulb on a not really well lit backglass, I did not think that would be terribly well liked

and i already bugged JP to write the attract mode light sequences on the table, i wasnt nagging him to invent something for the backglass LOL

 

 

  Ein Detail ist mir aufgefallen: Der Abschuss der Kugel erfolgte durch einen kleinen Plunger. Der Zulauf der Kugel wurde durch einen Drahtbügel reguliert, der sich auf dem seitlichen Zulauf befand und die Kugel für den Plunger freigab, indem er sich absenkte. Aber das sind wirklich Peanuts. Wichtig ist, dass sich der Tisch sehr realitätsnah spielen lässt. Vielen lieben Dank für diese tolle Umsetzung.

 

wo oder wie. kannst du zeigen?

 

 

 

 

 

es macht sich bekannt, nicht

[mopebe]

Hallo Jungs,

ich habe heute Vormittag recherchiert und bin in dem Buch von Michael Shalhoub "The Pinball Compendium - Electro-mechanical Era" auf den Seiten 172 - 175 auf einen ausführlichen Abschnitt über Rally und Fliptronic gestoßen. Hier werden auch die speziellen Eigenschaften der Fliptronic-Tische erläutert. Zum Thema "Plunger" schreibt Shalhoub: "Outlane an Plunger are on the same level. This low cost solution works perfectly. The outgoing ball rolls directly to the top of the plunger. At GAME OVER, a tiny pin blocks the ball a few millimetres in front of the plunger tip." Leider sieht man diesen Pin auf den Fotos recht selten, weil er meistens durch eine andere Struktur verdeckt wird. Auf dem ersten Foto sieht man den kleinen länglichen Pin direkt vor dem Plunger aber klar und deutlich. In meiner Erinnerung befand sich dieser Pin seitlich zum Plunger, was aber offenbar nicht stimmt. Sorry - aber es ist immerhin mehr als 50 Jahre her ;-)   

Edited by mopebe, 14 November 2021 - 09:52 AM.

[jpsalas]

Thanks mopebe, I'll add that little metal pin in front of the plunger.

[jpsalas]

UPDATE

 

1.0.2 Updated 14.11.2021

- added missing pin to hold the ball in front of the plunger.

- added a stronger sound for the bumper and slingshots (wiesshund)

- new primitives for the slingshots to allow for better movement (wiesshund/jpsalas).

- disabled the slingshots at game over and tilt

- added a game over sound.

 

About the pin: I couldn't set the pin closer to the plunger because the VPX plunger goes through walls and it hit the ball

[wiesshund]

 

About the pin: I couldn't set the pin closer to the plunger because the VPX plunger goes through walls and it hit the ball

 

That is because VPX plunger rods are cast from Unobtainium

Edited by wiesshund, 14 November 2021 - 12:02 PM.

[jpsalas]

 

 

About the pin: I couldn't set the pin closer to the plunger because the VPX plunger goes through walls and it hit the ball

 

That is because VPX plunger rods are cast from Unobtainium

 

 

I thought it was made of vibranium or adamantium

[haggi]

haggi, on 13 Nov 2021 - 4:18 PM, said:

 

(I would like to see some lights in the backglass)

 

It's rather boring (The real light i mean)
You would have to create something and then write the B2S routine to run it

 

 

Ok i mean not blinking lights. The b2s is a little bit to coold for me. LUT for b2s?

[wiesshund]

 

 

 

 

 

I thought it was made of vibranium or adamantium

 

 

What??
No, you are thinking of Wolverines balls

 

 

 

 

 

Ok i mean not blinking lights. The b2s is a little bit to coold for me. LUT for b2s?

 

 

Cant do LUT on a b2s, not something a B2S can hear
just import the b2s into b2s designer, extract the image, edit to your liking
re-import image
 

Not sure what you mean by cold though, but you should be able to make it look like what ever you want in photoshop

[wiesshund]

You can try this B2S

https://drive.google...iew?usp=sharing

 

or this one

https://drive.google...iew?usp=sharing

Edited by wiesshund, 15 November 2021 - 06:59 AM.

[jpsalas]

UPDATE

 

1.03 Updated 15.11.2021

- increased bumper and slingshots power to match the video of the similar table Rally Comics, which uses the same magnetic bumpers and slingshots (wiesshund)

 

This is a very small update. Wiesshund tested the table and watched the Comics video and adjusted the strength of the bumpers and slingshots to match those powerful magnets that were used by Rally. 

I felt the changes makes the table play more close to the real one, and it deserves to have an update with those values Now the table is fast, brutal, minimalistic and frustrating But it is fun!

Edited by jpsalas, 15 November 2021 - 04:11 PM.

[STAT]

wiesshund, did you try to set the Darkness ... down (-40%) in B2SDesigner directly, then use a normal Light Frame (Value 1, max. 2) ?

Edited by STAT, 15 November 2021 - 04:35 PM.

[haggi]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought it was made of vibranium or adamantium

 

 

What??
No, you are thinking of Wolverines balls

 

 

 

 

 

Ok i mean not blinking lights. The b2s is a little bit to coold for me. LUT for b2s?

 

 

Cant do LUT on a b2s, not something a B2S can hear
just import the b2s into b2s designer, extract the image, edit to your liking
re-import image
 

Not sure what you mean by cold though, but you should be able to make it look like what ever you want in photoshop

 

When I import the b2s I no longer have the reels. I can change the lighting but the scoreboard does not look nice then!

 

cold : more blue and bright
warm : more orange and dark

see your two baking glass pictures you have published

You can try this B2S

https://drive.google...iew?usp=sharing

 

or this one

https://drive.google...iew?usp=sharing

Goes in that direction. Thank you.

[bolt]

Thank you for table JP.

[wiesshund]

wiesshund, did you try to set the Darkness ... down (-40%) in B2SDesigner directly, then use a normal Light Frame (Value 1, max. 2) ?

 

You can try this

https://drive.google...iew?usp=sharing

 

Can not say i am terribly thrilled with ruining JP's nicely made image but eh, try it see what you think?

 

Goes in that direction. Thank you.

 

 

 

Try this one with active lights, see what you think

https://drive.google...iew?usp=sharing

[jpsalas]

UPDATE

 

- Uploaded the dark directb2s version 

 

Thanks wiesshund for the dark version of the directb2s

[wiesshund]

[jpsalas]

UPDATE

 

1.04 Updated 24.01.2022

- DOF commands added by leeoneil

 

Again, check the script if you want extra DOF effects and set the value Epileptikdof to True.