192 replies to this topic

[Herweh]

I love to follow your build WIPs and all your explanations. Thx, man.

[Jafjas]

Great work and amazing attention to detail!

I love to see the work in progress!

 

Greetings from a fellow Dutchman!

[Skitso]

Flupper's making of -posts are always really fascinating to read. Thanks!

[g5k]

Amazing innovation mate, an inspiration

[wrd1972]

Flupper,

I just got a Whirlwind in yesterday for full restoration, including a PF swap. I also have a brand spanking new un-populate playfield if you want pics. Of course I can provide anything else you need to.

Just let me know.

[TNT2]

Always enjoy following threads like these. Thanks for all of your hard work Flupper!

[Thorvald]

Awesome!  I was trying to find this table for VPX.

[bord]

Awesome!  I was trying to find this table for VPX.

https://vpinball.com...ind-siggis-mod/

[wrd1972]

Just provided several pics of the ramps as well as precise height dimensions to flupper for WW.  So I guess we can expect just another "run of the mill", "cookie-cutter", typical quality BAD-ASS TABLE FROM FLUPPER.  

 

Cant wait to get "blown". 

[rothbauerw]

Cant wait to get "blown". 

 

I don't know how to respond to this ....

 

    

[BrandonLaw]

Cant wait to get "blown". 

 
I don't know how to respond to this ....
 
    

You should probably “Return to your homes.”


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[Mark70]

These inserts are gorgeous! 

[chokeee]

I love that WIPs! Thanks flupper!

[flupper1]

Chapter 4: physics

 

As told before, Rothbauerw does all physics Whirlwind (similar to Totan). In order for him to do that I prepared the table like this:

 

I took my insert test table (which was completely empty besides minimal script to run the rom and the inserts) and added the script and collidable objects from Walamab's table: https://vpinball.com...-williams-1990/

 

I removed all graphics related stuff from the script, I commented out all sound script and moved all collidable objects to 2 layers (mainly the ramps on one layer, the rest on another).

Now big problem are always the ramps, since even if you have many reference images, it is still hard or impossible to judge heights and the exact curves of the ramps. Good thing that Wrd1972 had the whirlwind playfield on a rotisserie and on my request he took some photos from far away (to avoid perspective distortion):

 

With these kind of images, I was able to make a mockup playfield image out of that and used it to properly align the ramps:

 

Next to that he measured the height of the ramps on several key places for me:

 

This exercise showed me that you really need these type of measurements since I had to change the ramps quite a bit compared to walamab's original ramps (height and curve).

 

I also repositioned & changed a lot of other collidable objects as well; I based these on a huge archive of shots of a Whirlwind restoration:

https://photos.googl...2U4eTdsNjBjR2h3

 

So after that, the table looked like this:

 

With this (and the photo archive), Rothbauerw was able to transform the physics to his version:

 

 

This is his first version, I asked Blackmoor to test it to compare it to his real table. Rothbauerw put in a physical trough and subway, new lock handling, and rescripted the discs.

BTW: everything which has the green/blue material, will be invisible when I add the prerendered graphics.

 

Next chapter, plastics: https://www.vpforums...e=3#entry446979

Edited by flupper1, 09 April 2020 - 08:29 PM.

[Thalamus]

@fripounet. Take a page from any pinball manual and layer it 50%/50% with a scanned playfield in photoshop and you soon see that those blueprints in the manuals often are far from accurate. Trust me, Flupper' table will be.

Edited by Thalamus, 23 February 2020 - 07:32 PM.

[flupper1]

@fripounet: I checked the manual blueprint for whirlwind: it is far from correct unfortunately.

[fripounet]

@fripounet: I checked the manual blueprint for whirlwind: it is far from correct unfortunately.

 

Edited by fripounet, 06 March 2020 - 11:14 AM.

[rothbauerw]

The image repository was extremely helpful on this table. Most of the metal walls do not closely follow the playfield artwork. I usually spend days researching reference images to get everything placed right. Pegs, posts, and sleeves are usually easier because you can use the holes in the playfield for placement.

Edited by rothbauerw, 23 February 2020 - 09:51 PM.

[3rdaxis]

@fripounet. Take a page from any pinball manual and layer it 50%/50% with a scanned playfield in photoshop and you soon see that those blueprints in the manuals often are far from accurate. Trust me, Flupper' table will be.

That is 100% true. Those blueprints are NOT accurate. Made that mistake once... Once:)

[dark]

When I first started making 3D ramps for VP authors I always wondered how they were figuring out the height values, turned out they were just making educated guesses.  Basically all ramps created without height measurements are likely flawed.  I had measurements for ramps on Gilligan's and Jurassic Park and it made a big difference taking all the guess work out of it. 

That is 100% true. Those blueprints are NOT accurate. Made that mistake once... Once:)

 

 

 

 

Same, never again lol.