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#21 Arcade4

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 11:02 PM

QUOTE (rooftop35 @ Jan 13 2012, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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QUOTE (rooftop35 @ Jan 13 2012, 03:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hate to be a pain, but i don't know what else to do anymore. I printed out the installation instructions, and TOOK MY TIME making sure that I did everything right. And when it comes time to opening a table, I still get the blueprint screen and not the table itself.


Maybe I am misunderstanding, but the blueprint screen is supposed to come up when you load the table.
What happens after you press F5 to start the table?

sorry, i meant THIS TIME the gray screen with a double row of icons that are also gray came up.
Once before the blueprint came up.I didn't know that F5 broght up the table. I'll remember that next time.
As for now, I'm not even getting the table.I wanted to try a sinple one to get started with only one rom. "Big Hurt"


I know this has been said many times above, but since you mentioned Big Hurt, I noticed that is a VP8 table.
It should run if you have a separate VP8 installation from your VP9.
The only thing that leaps to mind is that somehow you are getting the .exe for VP9 to run instead of the .exe for VP8.
Sorry we are not able to help more. Big Hurt should run just fine in VP8.


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Posted 14 January 2012 - 01:07 AM

QUOTE (Arcade4 @ Jan 13 2012, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (rooftop35 @ Jan 13 2012, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Arcade4 @ Jan 13 2012, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (rooftop35 @ Jan 13 2012, 03:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hate to be a pain, but i don't know what else to do anymore. I printed out the installation instructions, and TOOK MY TIME making sure that I did everything right. And when it comes time to opening a table, I still get the blueprint screen and not the table itself.


Maybe I am misunderstanding, but the blueprint screen is supposed to come up when you load the table.
What happens after you press F5 to start the table?

sorry, i meant THIS TIME the gray screen with a double row of icons that are also gray came up.
Once before the blueprint came up.I didn't know that F5 broght up the table. I'll remember that next time.
As for now, I'm not even getting the table.I wanted to try a sinple one to get started with only one rom. "Big Hurt"


I know this has been said many times above, but since you mentioned Big Hurt, I noticed that is a VP8 table.
It should run if you have a separate VP8 installation from your VP9.
The only thing that leaps to mind is that somehow you are getting the .exe for VP9 to run instead of the .exe for VP8.
Sorry we are not able to help more. Big Hurt should run just fine in VP8.

the same gray screen with the double row of gray icons on the left is also coming up on VP9 as well. I just downloaded medievel madness and all its roms. No different screen than whe i did Big hurt from Vp8
Unles i get in safe mode and someone take over as to what the issue is, i guees that maybe i should take a pass on this stuff. vERY Disappointing.... becsuse before i had my computer wiped clean and windows reinstalled, EVERYTHING worked perfect. re-did everything on this one, and not having any success.Saved everything on an external drive...................but it really didn't help any because everything had to be reinstalled................and not just copied.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 09:48 AM

Hello, rooftop35;
Apologies if most of what I say is too basic/obvious/fundamental (or even wrong! JawDrop.gif ), but as you've tried multiple times to cover all the bases, there's a good chance that something simple is the culprit---and if 50,000 pinhead brains keep at it, we're bound to stumble onto it.
QUOTE (rooftop35 @ Jan 10 2012)
and now when I attempt to open up a table in the tables folder, a black window opens and closes real quick.
Do you mean, clicking on a table icon in the folder?
Attached File  VPTablesFolder.JPG   87.28KB   4 downloads
I tried that, and all it does is open the Editor---and unless you have changed the setting, default is the VP8 version; click on 'Help' > 'About...' and the message box will give the VP version. The only way I know of to get a table rendered is to open the editor (choose the correct one for the table you want to play) and click File in the upper left. Then pick your table from the list of eight most recently played ones in the bottom of the box; if it's not in the list, or there is no list yet, then click Open for your complete roster.
As to opening the editor; it can be done from within the Visual Pinball folder,
Attached File  VPFolder.JPG   97.97KB   2 downloads or via a shortcut on the desktop, if you created it/them.
Note that unlike the VP9.x.x versions, the VP8 icon is not numbered---but you can change that (rename) if you wish.

By the way; any more black windows flashing by?

QUOTE (rooftop35 @ Jan 13 2012, 01:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And when it comes time to opening a table, I still get the blueprint screen and not the table itself.

Selecting a table loads it into the editor and renders the blueprint, as you well know. To render the full table, click the Play icon (third one down in the inner column on the left).

QUOTE (Arcade4 @ Jan 13 2012, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe I am misunderstanding, but the blueprint screen is supposed to come up when you load the table.
What happens after you press F5 to start the table?

QUOTE (rooftop35 @ Jan 13 2012, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
sorry, i meant THIS TIME the gray screen with a double row of icons that are also gray came up.
Once before the blueprint came up.I didn't know that F5 brought up the table. I'll remember that next time.

The gray screen with the icons is, of course, the Editor---and they all look alike. If you lose track of which one is up, click 'Help' > 'About.....', as mentioned earlier.

And, I wasn't aware that 'F5' meant 'Play'* either---all it does (on my DMD tables, anyway) is toggle the DMD between small and large, as Dedrok_V mentioned earlier---Starting is by the '1' key.
*EDIT: Sorry about that---I've just never used it, but 'F5' does indeed render the full table as does 'Play'.
QUOTE (Arcade4 @ Jan 13 2012, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The only thing that leaps to mind is that somehow you are getting the .exe for VP9 to run instead of the .exe for VP8.

Or perhaps the reverse (VP8 when VP9 is desired)?


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Edited by GSGregg, 14 January 2012 - 10:15 AM.


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Posted 15 January 2012 - 01:39 PM

OK, I guess i am at a dead end. I deleted EVERYTHNING and started over again, I AM sure that I followed everythiing correctly by the standard installation.
Whether I use vp8 or 9 and download a table into the tables folder and all of the roms into the roms folder......................when i go to open the downloaded table i still get the gray screen with the icons ramp, ball. selection, options etc etc on t the left side of the screen. The picture of the table or the blueprint never even comes up.

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 01:57 PM

QUOTE (rooftop35 @ Jan 15 2012, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
OK, I guess i am at a dead end. I deleted EVERYTHNING and started over again, I AM sure that I followed everythiing correctly by the standard installation.
Whether I use vp8 or 9 and download a table into the tables folder and all of the roms into the roms folder......................when i go to open the downloaded table i still get the gray screen with the icons ramp, ball. selection, options etc etc on t the left side of the screen. The picture of the table or the blueprint never even comes up.

before anyone replies to this, i just found something. i missed something on the last post by CGS. this part
and click File in the upper left. Then pick your table from the list of eight most recently played ones in the bottom of the box; if it's not in the list, or there is no list yet, then click Open for your complete roster.
I just did that, and i got a blueprint table to come up,then hit the f5 as mentioned in an earlier post and the table came up.
For some reason or another, before i had my computer wiped clean, these steps i never had to go through, and to open the tables up in this manner is not explained in the instructions (UNLESS I OVERLOOKED IT)
Either way..............thanks 2 these 2 steps being mentioned, i think that I might have it. I have to go, so i can't do any more testing, but if everything is OK in the future, I'll re-post and give the thumbs up. Then hopefully, you will be rid of me for a while. I REALLY do appreciate your patience with e in all of this.


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Posted 15 January 2012 - 03:02 PM

Well, rooftop35, I'm glad progress is being made. I could say, "it's always bugged me that I can't actually start a table...then what are the icons really for?", but it's a lot more convenient to just open the Editor and make my table selection from there.

I was typing myself into catatonia last time and forgot to ask if you had 'sent' VPinball.exe shortcuts 'to desktop', which is an option in the right-click menu; just mouse over Send To > and click Desktop (Create Shortcut). Unless you're adding tables, etc., or troubleshooting something, you may not have to open the Folder again! (Well.....not too often.) rolleyes.gif

I have only been aware of computer pinball in general, and VPF in particular, for a bit over two years, but it sounds like you've been around a lot longer, and VPF.org is only about three years old. Any chance that you installed VP the first time from a different installer or even a different source? Something like that could explain who-knows-what. I reinstalled last March using the VPInstaller_1_0_3, which I believe is the same one with which I installed back in Feb. of '10.

Happy Pinballing! And don't hesitate to post---mind-eating situations aren't good!


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Posted 15 January 2012 - 09:09 PM

QUOTE (GSGregg @ Jan 15 2012, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, rooftop35, I'm glad progress is being made. I could say, "it's always bugged me that I can't actually start a table...then what are the icons really for?", but it's a lot more convenient to just open the Editor and make my table selection from there.

I was typing myself into catatonia last time and forgot to ask if you had 'sent' VPinball.exe shortcuts 'to desktop', which is an option in the right-click menu; just mouse over Send To > and click Desktop (Create Shortcut). Unless you're adding tables, etc., or troubleshooting something, you may not have to open the Folder again! (Well.....not too often.) rolleyes.gif

I have only been aware of computer pinball in general, and VPF in particular, for a bit over two years, but it sounds like you've been around a lot longer, and VPF.org is only about three years old. Any chance that you installed VP the first time from a different installer or even a different source? Something like that could explain who-knows-what. I reinstalled last March using the VPInstaller_1_0_3, which I believe is the same one with which I installed back in Feb. of '10.

Happy Pinballing! And don't hesitate to post---mind-eating situations aren't good!


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FINALLY GOT IT ! I'M IN and ALL IS WELL
Yeah, as a matter of fact, it was about 4-6 years ago, I bought a CD and had it installed then. maybe that is why things were a little bit different now.
NOTE TO ADMINS!!! For future reference on my troubleshooting issue that others may have, here's what happened.
Before when I installed VP, all i had to do was download any table into the table folder. then open the folder, click on the table, and then the table and all of it's playability would come up and be ready to go. When I had my computer wiped clean and had to start over I KNEW THAT I DID EVERYTHING RIGHT ON INSTALLATION, but couldn't figure out why I couldn't get anything to work.
Here were the 2 keys:
1) When I click on the table that is in the tables folder, it took me to the gray editor screen. (Unless I overlooked it....I didn't see it in the instructions) but I didn't know that I had to click on file (top left corner)and then the table (that was extracted) would show up. When I clicked on the table, then the blueprint would show up
2) When the blueprint showed up, I didn't know that I had to press F5 in order for the table to be rendered and playable. I didn't see that in the instructions either.
Anyway, sorry to drive you guys nuts, but I wanted to give you a heads up as to why I was having so many issues as to why things were not working.
1) Before I had my computer wiped clean, I had an older version already installed that bypassed the editor screen as well as the blueprint, and
2) had no idea about the "file" on editor screen as well as te F5 on blueprint,. I hope that this info helps on future pinballers that may run into similar issues
SIDENOTE!!!! I want to thank all of you for you help and patience with all of my postings, questions and issues. Everyone has always been very congenial and I just wanted to say thanks! It meant a lot to me. Hopefully, I'll be able to leave you guys alone for a while, and put my concentration where it should be..........................start playing and having a blast.

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 11:02 PM

Glad we could help.
I knew it had to be something simple.

I have just gotten used to using F5 as I mentioned above.
You can also just click on the "Play" button on the left side as well, they both do the same thing.
Enjoy all the great tables you can play now. smile.gif


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Posted 16 January 2012 - 05:18 AM

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