31 replies to this topic

[TheKeef]

Nah, I didn't miss the point. It's widely available for purchase and saying it isn't is clearly wrong. Then going as far as accusing people of having double standards ( I have no standards at all thank very f!@##n much ). I mean simply saying it's not the way he wanted it to go isnt enough, you have to put people down and act like a lawyer?

It was in poor taste, and I said as much.

*also this is the last post I will make on the topic. I think people want something they cant easily have. They want it free since its not easy, and someone said that they couldn't have it, and this is what results. Yeah, screw that.

Edited by TheKeef, 21 December 2010 - 08:04 PM.

[highrise]

I think you will find, reading it back, that the only person getting put down in any way, was actually me. I didn't direct anything at anyone, and I certainly didn't call anyone a douche or said anything abusive to anyone. I also don't think I showed a blatant disregard for other's opinions - because opinions don't actually have anything to do with the law in the first place, and I don't need to be a lawyer to know that.

The whole thing just reminded me of what some FP users say about them not using ROMs because of copyright even though they are happy to use artwork etc. For me it's an interesting debate and has nothing whatever to do with being disrespectful or insulting.

I'm certainly not on a high horse about copyright - I'm happy to admit I'm down in the mud with the rest of the plebs - I break copyright all the time - a few ROMs here, a few MP3s there, a few movies. Some I pay for when I can afford it, some I don't. I am pretty sure we all do - who seriously is entitled to play all those ROMs? As the saying goes, "let he who is without sin..."

All I'm saying is that if you want to take the moral high ground, and play the copyright card with one hand, or accuse me of trying to get something for nothing, you can't expect to be taken seriously if you are playing a table with copyrighted artwork or ROMs with the other - it doesn't stack up.

The fact that we are all doing this seems to me like a very inconvenient truth - we are all using copyrighted material without permission in some form or other, and we should be adult enough 'fess up and to debate that without insulting each other with namecalling, just because it's something you don't want to hear. At the end of the day, for 99% of people, copyright is, in the end, about what your conscience allows you to get away with.

Edited by highrise, 21 December 2010 - 11:05 PM.

[Noah Fentz]

It's all good, guys. Let's not get into a debate about it in this topic.

I can say that we do have 'informal' permission from those in the industry I've spoken to about it. Even Gary himself says he's "All for it" and supports anything that "Stimulates interest in pinball."

[highrise]

yes, I'm not trying to point fingers or insult anyone, really I'm not - I just find it an interesting debate is all. I always respect other people's views even if I don't agree with them. I favour dialectic over polemic, which in itself is an interesting thing to read about. We Europeans have been arguing for several thousand years now, we don't necessarily take it personally...

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Dialectics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polemic

Anyway, I'll leave it there.

[pinball buzz]

Thanks for the heads up on the article Sabbat - good for the scene,

And thanks for the help Highrise, enabling someone such as myself to see the article, even though I can`t nip to the local news stand and buy it !

Buzz

ps No links were harmed in the creating of this post

Edited by pinball buzz, 22 December 2010 - 08:23 PM.

[lettuce]

this mag and EGM used to be available over here - but alas not anymore

Yeah was just going to ask it we can still get hold of it over here. Any chance of someone doing scans of the pages and uploading them??

EDIT: Ok just read the whole thread....well if some kind soul could email it to me instead lol

Edited by lettuce, 24 December 2010 - 12:39 PM.

[rascal]

Well I'm not going to paste the article, but a scan of the front cover should be ok.

[FDSystems]

Well I'm not going to paste the article, but a scan of the front cover should be ok.

Rascalize. exe updated to version 2.011

[Noah Fentz]

Why'd you have to go and use Cena?!

[Bob5453]

Wow, your webcam adds at least 10 pounds to you.

Congrats on the article.

[kruge99]

Well I'm not going to paste the article, but a scan of the front cover should be ok.

If you ask me it looks a little photoshopped...

[gwjrabbit]

Hey Folks,

Thanks to everyone on the forums for their help in getting that article written. I had a ton more on VP, but wordcounts in print are inflexible, so a lot ended up on the floor.

I'm hoping to do an actual piece on building a VP cap for GameSpy later this year.

Alas, I can't give you scans either.

Hope you found the article interesting -- old news to everyone here, but doing what I can to keep things alive.

Julian Murdoch (aka, Rabbit).