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[bietekwiet]

 

Vincent has confirmed that there has been a change to the depth map range in 10.8 to fix a bug related to reflections, however this is causing some issues with Superdepth3D (depth and granularity have been reduced as well as some tables floating above the screen). Suggest reading the github thread about this as it's quite an important issue for Superdepth3D users that intend to switch to 10.8 . Make a comment in the thread below if this affects you.

https://github.com/v...ball/issues/427

 

I am on 10.7.3 and although Reshade is working with Trioviz (I have the glasses) there is no real 3D perception with the glasses on no matter what settings I change. I can see the extra green/cyan colors but they just don't produce a real 3D effect. I thought it might be monitor settings skewing the color accuracy needed but now reading your post above I tend to think something is broken?
It used to work well a year ago for me on I believe vpx 10.7.2...now it is just a colory mess not just in trioviz but also other 3d options.

Edited by bietekwiet, 17 May 2023 - 11:00 AM.

[scutters]

 

Vincent has confirmed that there has been a change to the depth map range in 10.8 to fix a bug related to reflections, however this is causing some issues with Superdepth3D (depth and granularity have been reduced as well as some tables floating above the screen). Suggest reading the github thread about this as it's quite an important issue for Superdepth3D users that intend to switch to 10.8 . Make a comment in the thread below if this affects you.

https://github.com/v...ball/issues/427

 

I am on 10.7.3 and although Reshade is working with Trioviz (I have the glasses) there is no real 3D perception with the glasses on no matter what settings I change. I can see the extra green/cyan colors but they just don't produce a real 3D effect. I thought it might be monitor settings skewing the color accuracy needed but now reading your post above I tend to think something is broken?
It used to work well a year ago for me on I believe vpx 10.7.2...now it is just a colory mess not just in trioviz but also other 3d options.

 

 

All is working for me with reshade and vpx 10.7.3 using trioviz. I did have to increase my separation value in the trioviz settings after updating reshade though (see a few post back)

[Gravy]

 

Vincent has confirmed that there has been a change to the depth map range in 10.8 to fix a bug related to reflections, however this is causing some issues with Superdepth3D (depth and granularity have been reduced as well as some tables floating above the screen). Suggest reading the github thread about this as it's quite an important issue for Superdepth3D users that intend to switch to 10.8 . Make a comment in the thread below if this affects you.

https://github.com/v...ball/issues/427

 

I am on 10.7.3 and although Reshade is working with Trioviz (I have the glasses) there is no real 3D perception with the glasses on no matter what settings I change. I can see the extra green/cyan colors but they just don't produce a real 3D effect. I thought it might be monitor settings skewing the color accuracy needed but now reading your post above I tend to think something is broken?
It used to work well a year ago for me on I believe vpx 10.7.2...now it is just a colory mess not just in trioviz but also other 3d options.

 

 

Suggest checking the depthmap in the depth3d options to see if greyscale depth is actually working (I can't remember offhand what option that is as don't currently have it installed due to GPU failure). Perhaps someone else can chime in if you cant find the option.

Edited by Gravy, 18 May 2023 - 02:53 AM.

[bietekwiet]

Suggest checking the depthmap in the depth3d options to see if greyscale depth is actually working (I can't remember offhand what option that is as don't currently have it installed due to GPU failure). Perhaps someone else can chime in if you cant find the option.


Reply : The depthmap is working, I can see the grayscale depth map when toggled on. It isjust that the 3d values are off by quite a bit. for instance I can get the back part of the table to look kind of ok but then the front part looks not in 3D etcetera. I have swap eyes, and swap 3d direction checked which seems th eleast bad .

PS: sorry I am replying within your post. I started replying on my phone and I don't understand the whole quote layout so ended up doing it this way.

Edited by bietekwiet, 23 May 2023 - 11:10 AM.

[elmera]

 

Suggest checking the depthmap in the depth3d options to see if greyscale depth is actually working (I can't remember offhand what option that is as don't currently have it installed due to GPU failure). Perhaps someone else can chime in if you cant find the option.


Reply : The depthmap is working, I can see the grayscale depth map when toggled on. It isjust that the 3d values are off by quite a bit. for instance I can get the back part of the table to look kind of ok but then the front part looks not in 3D etcetera. I have swap eyes, and swap 3d direction checked which seems th eleast bad .

PS: sorry I am replying within your post. I started replying on my phone and I don't understand the whole quote layout so ended up doing it this way.

 

Are you able to post a screenshot of your Reshade settings?

[mshaker]

Hi All; 

I'm still experimenting with ReShade for the TriOviz glasses. 

 

When I have setting adjusted so the top of the playfield looks good, the flipper and apron areas look less good. I assume because I'm closer to that end of the screen. 

 

Is there a setting that can scale the 3D effect between the top and bottom of the screen? 

 

Would such an adjustment even help?

 

Thank you for any knowledge you pass my way! 

 

   - Mark 

[elmera]

Hi All; 

I'm still experimenting with ReShade for the TriOviz glasses. 

 

When I have setting adjusted so the top of the playfield looks good, the flipper and apron areas look less good. I assume because I'm closer to that end of the screen. 

 

Is there a setting that can scale the 3D effect between the top and bottom of the screen? 

 

Would such an adjustment even help?

 

Thank you for any knowledge you pass my way! 

 

   - Mark 

 

Not to my knowledge.  Every table will be a little different, but for me nothing is ever going to look 100% perfect.  Some parts will usually have the 3D effect over exaggerated compared to another part.  Not sure why.  Maybe it has to do with the angle of the table in VPX, or maybe is just a limitation to how Reshade/Depth3D works.  Either way, I'm usually able to dial it in good enough that my eyes won't notice while playing.  Only noticeable when you stop and focus on something.

 

For every table my process is to first get the Field of View and Layback VPX settings adjusted to my liking (usually in the 40-50's and 70-90's, respectively -- but will obviously vary).  I then adjust the lighting via VPX settings as well as Reshades Fakehdr.  Lighting and table colors (via LUTs or Reshade's Anaglyph saturation and contrast settings) seem to have a big impact on how the overall 3D effect will look -- so there are some default color settings I tend to use with most tables. 

 

Only then do I enable SuperDepth3D.  I usually adjust the Divergence first to get the best 3D effect that I like, then I adjust the ZPD to make the center of the playfield, right above the flippers, the clearest looking and most focused.  Then go back and make a minor tweak here and here.  Yes, there will likely be parts of the table (front, back, sides) that may not be as dialed in, but again, I don't really noticed once I start playing.  

[Slydog43]

Can you upload a modded table that you think looks great for me to test out.

[elmera]

I can't upload a table, but here are links to some screenshots for a couple tables (filenames will make it clear which version I'm using), the .pov's, and a Reshade preset I'm using for each.  If there is a specific table you want me to provide a screenshot, .pov, or Reshade preset, let me know.  

 

Cyclone - Sliderpoint - you should be able to get at archive.org

screenshot here - Its around 15MB, so providing a link.  Display it full screen on your cab.

.pov here

Reshade .ini preset here

 

 

Johnny Mnemonic - SG1bsoN Mod - get here

screenshot here

.pov here

Reshade .ini preset here

 

 

Some things to note: 

• I use Inificolor Trioviz 3D glasses.
• Not sure how my .pov's will look on your setup.  
• As mentioned I use Fakehdr, so if you didn't install the SweetFX package when you installed Reshade (which includes Fakehdr), the lighting will be different.

[mshaker]

All;

A quick shout out to 3Dstereo.com.

While I was looking for different types of Anaglyph 3D Glasses, I ordered a pair from Amazon, then a couple from 3Dstereo.com.

It turns out that the pair I ordered from Amazon was also supplied by 3Dstereo.com. They noticed, combined shipping and refunded the extra. That was very nice of them!

- Mark

[bietekwiet]

Reshade Superdepth is not working optimally for me. I uninstalled and reinstalled multiple times (It used to work better for me a year ago). I am using Trioviz.
There is only depth perception in the sense that the playfield looks deepened but none of the 3d Assets on the playfield are in 3D.
I am using VPX 10.8 rev. 1336
Here are photos of the playfield and the settings:
 
 

Edited by bietekwiet, 30 July 2023 - 03:47 AM.

[bietekwiet]

Here is the Depth Map:
Swap eyes improved it already and the 3D objects now look effectively 3D but the 3D looks very blurry. Perhaps some values need tweaking?


 

Edited by bietekwiet, 30 July 2023 - 03:49 AM.

[bietekwiet]

My goodness, I switched to my Colorcode 3D amber glasses and that is much much better!
I just figured out Trioviz's current implementation is broken?

Edit:I went back to the Trioviz glasses but instead of using the "inficolor 3d emulator" preprocessor option I disabled it and used the normal green/magenta Dubois option. That works.
Conclusion: avoid the true Triovizion settings? Can anyone confirm?

At least I can use Anaglyphic again which is great.

Edited by bietekwiet, 30 July 2023 - 05:05 AM.

[bietekwiet]

 

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I can't upload a table, but here are links to some screenshots for a couple tables (filenames will make it clear which version I'm using), the .pov's, and a Reshade preset I'm using for each.  If there is a specific table you want me to provide a screenshot, .pov, or Reshade preset, let me know.  
 
Cyclone - Sliderpoint - you should be able to get at archive.org
screenshot here - Its around 15MB, so providing a link.  Display it full screen on your cab.
.pov here
Reshade .ini preset here
 
 
Johnny Mnemonic - SG1bsoN Mod - get here
screenshot here
.pov here
Reshade .ini preset here
 
 
Some things to note: 

• I use Inificolor Trioviz 3D glasses.
• Not sure how my .pov's will look on your setup.  
• As mentioned I use Fakehdr, so if you didn't install the SweetFX package when you installed Reshade (which includes Fakehdr), the lighting will be different.

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What version of Reshade are you on?
I believe the latest reshade 5.0.9 is broken in terms of SuperDepth 3D's Trioviz option.
In combination with VPX 10.7.4 or VPX 10.8 it does not produce 3D. I copied all the settings from your Cyclone .ini in my own preset ini file and it is not near producing any useful 3D after tweaking.

[elmera]

 

What version of Reshade are you on?
I believe the latest reshade 5.0.9 is broken in terms of SuperDepth 3D's Trioviz option.
In combination with VPX 10.7.4 or VPX 10.8 it does not produce 3D. I copied all the settings from your Cyclone .ini in my own preset ini file and it is not near producing any useful 3D after tweaking.

 

 

I'm using VPX 10.7.4.  I purposely have not upgraded to 10.8 since Gravy indicated in a post on this forum post back in May that it looked like something was broke with Depth3D and VPX 10.8.  Since I haven't tried, I couldn't tell you if the issue might be related to VPX 10.8, with a newer version of Reshade, or something else.  I'm currently using Reshade v5.5.2.

 

I also should have clarified in other posts -- I use Trioviz glasses and use Anaglyph 3D Green/Magenta Triochrome as my 3D Display Mode in Depth3D.  However, I do NOT have Inficolor_3D_Emulator enabled in the Depth3D preprocessor definitions.  I know I've tried it in the past, but don't remember why I chose not to use it. 

[bietekwiet]

Thanks for the reply.
I depend on VPX 10.8 later versions for anaglyphics as the new 'Window' POV system allows for much better 3D depth.
So far all anaglyph options (red/cyan, green/magenta etc.) work but Trioviz Inficolor does not produce any 3D for me.

Could someone test VPX 10.8 (rev 1336 or later) in combo with latest Reshade 5.0.9 inficolor (Trioviz) mode?

[Gravy]

Thanks for the reply.
I depend on VPX 10.8 later versions for anaglyphics as the new 'Window' POV system allows for much better 3D depth.
So far all anaglyph options (red/cyan, green/magenta etc.) work but Trioviz Inficolor does not produce any 3D for me.

Could someone test VPX 10.8 (rev 1336 or later) in combo with latest Reshade 5.0.9 inficolor (Trioviz) mode?

I can't do much 3D testing at the moment due to borked hardware but I'm interested in your findings regarding the Window POV. Would you be able to take a few 1080p or 4K cabinet mode screenshots of tables that are working well for you that you have adjusted for Window POV mode? Preferably suitable for Trioviz glasses (just the green/magenta mode will be fine if Inficolor emulation mode is not working). I'm interested to see if Window POV mode has less convergence issues across the entire area of the table allowing for more depth and less ghosting.

Also interested if VPX 10.8 GL versions are working correctly yet with Depth3D, or even inbuilt 3D? Supposedly GL will handle transparent surfaces better in 3D as it renders each eye separately (per eye rendering probably only works for inbuilt 3D mode but I'm not sure). I have been unable to test it as it doesn't run currently on my PC (GL crashes as I don't have the required OpenGL version support on my aging PC).

Edit: It seems that a depth buffer is not available in the GL version according to vincent in his last post regarding depth issues (closed issue but I'm not sure that it was actually fixed) at https://github.com/v...ball/issues/427

As such no ability to use Depth3D with GL version it seems (unless something has changed since he posted that message).

I'd be really interested to hear anyone's experience with using the inbuilt 3D mode with GL build.

Edited by Gravy, 07 August 2023 - 03:45 AM.

[dan_shane]

Is there a way to remove the 3D toggle message on the playfield without disabling 3D?  In 10.7 the warning message would disappear in just a few seconds; now it remains visible. as long as 3D is toggled off using F10.

[dan_shane]

Never mind; I discovered the message goes away as soon as I start the game.

[qcol]

Hi

 

Earlier I tried the 3d effect with glasses as in the photo, on version 10.7 with the Anaglyph Red/Cyan option. The effect was not very spectacular, there were artifacts on the playfield, 3d depth was poor. 

 

https://imgur.com/a/fnd30Tp

 

Today I installed version 10.8 GL with the Anaglyph Dubois Red/Cyan option. Wow! It looks spectacular! Beautiful 3D depth, no artifacts, smooth play. 

 

I just have a question about the colors. Currently I see a playfield with no clear colors, quite monotone with predominantly yellow. For the time being I am not using a ReShade. I have read that the ReShade does not work very properly with the GL version? Is it possible to bring out the colors somehow? Maybe I need different, better glasses? What are the recommended ones?  Is there a chance that someday Backglass/DMD will also be in 3d?

Edited by qcol, 31 August 2023 - 10:26 AM.