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[ICPjuggla]

You still don't see my point and you never will!
I give back to the community and spend countless hours of my free time to give all the awesome people here something to play on their cab or desktop.. What do you do other than complain? It's you that is the problem not me! Maybe I'm wrong and someone will step in and put me in my place or maybe I'll just say forget it and stop building tables altogether. Maybe I'll just finish up the few projects that are already started and b/c of people like you the community has lost another author who will just step away and fade into the distance! Think about it what will you have to play then if we all just stop building tables!

I'm a graphics guy and I contributed a lot. I made scanned playfields for SS, RS, BTTF, EATPM, ES and some more, made all new plastics for TOTAN and sampled all mechanical sounds and many other things - but I will not contribute this here if people are behaving as you are.
 
You can not start insulting people just because of asking for features and reporting bugs! It seems to me that you like to make mountains out of molehills and you like witch-hunting. Never forget that mukuste left because of such behavior. Think about that.
 
That's why I like the alternative forum more. I never saw such ridiculous and disgusting discussions over there. This forum here seems to attract such people.

I'm not insulting you just calling you out! if you look back at my history of being a member here I'm suuuure you will find a 1000 posts by me calling people out, if you do find them let me know b/c I can't seem to remember too many. Maybe a handful to put people like you in their place!

Your prob. right though that mukuste prob. left b/c of people like me. I've never spoken to mukuste and I actually thought what he was doing for VP was quite amazing as many others thought so too.. Your looking for a member to blaim I'm a man and can take it so feel free to pin the blaim on me for having a problem with the way you conduct your posts here putting people down and crapping on people's work.

By the way I'm a member at the other sight I guess I'll c u you over there too. lol

[fuzzel]

I've played JP's NASCAR I guess maybe 20 times, I only had it crash once, last ball, just about to drain down the center and an error popped up.... I've played it a few times since with no errors

Yes that's a real bitch of a bug. I played Nascar for quite a time now and I had no crash at all.

@all: please report in which situation you got a crash. Did VP crash when the ball drains or hits a special object/target something like this. Maybe Toxie and I can nail it down that way. The crash report won't help because on Win7/8 you have the ASLR (address space layout randomization). A feature to prevent evil programs hijacking other applications but that means the address reported by the crash report. I will try to add a better crash report in VP in the next builds.

[ClarkKent]

I'm not insulting you just calling you out! if you look back at my history of being a member here I'm suuuure you will find a 1000 posts by me calling people out, if you do find them let me know b/c I can't seem to remember too many. Maybe a handful to put people like you in their place!

Your prob. right though that mukuste prob. left b/c of people like me. I've never spoken to mukuste and I actually thought what he was doing for VP was quite amazing as many others thought so too.. Your looking for a member to blaim I'm a man and can take it so feel free to pin the blaim on me for having a problem with the way you conduct your posts here putting people down and crapping on people's work.

By the way I'm a member at the other sight I guess I'll c u you over there too. lol

 

Your way of calling out is insulting. Or do you think words like shut up and bitching is a fine way to talk? What gives you the right to do that? And you are calling out when reporting bugs politely? Is it your job to interfere in other members affairs? You had nothing to do with this matter and you just started ranting about it...

 

Mukuste's work was just amazing. And I'm THAT sad that he left just because of the way some people are approaching him and others. I wish that could be undone - but it couldn't. And that's the problem here at the forum. The brusqueness is not very nice here. I know some people who do not want to contribute because of this. Just change that!

[ICPjuggla]

I'm not insulting you just calling you out! if you look back at my history of being a member here I'm suuuure you will find a 1000 posts by me calling people out, if you do find them let me know b/c I can't seem to remember too many. Maybe a handful to put people like you in their place!
Your prob. right though that mukuste prob. left b/c of people like me. I've never spoken to mukuste and I actually thought what he was doing for VP was quite amazing as many others thought so too.. Your looking for a member to blaim I'm a man and can take it so feel free to pin the blaim on me for having a problem with the way you conduct your posts here putting people down and crapping on people's work.
By the way I'm a member at the other sight I guess I'll c u you over there too. lol

Your way of calling out is insulting. Or do you think words like shut up and bitching is a fine way to talk? What gives you the right to do that? And you are calling out when reporting bugs politely? Is it your job to interfere in other members affairs? You had nothing to do with this matter and you just started ranting about it...
 
Mukuste's work was just amazing. And I'm THAT sad that he left just because of the way some people are approaching him and others. I wish that could be undone - but it couldn't. And that's the problem here at the forum. The brusqueness is not very nice here. I know some people who do not want to contribute because of this. Just change that!

Yeah that's the way I talk and the way I was raised to call out people and stand up for what I belive in! I've sat back long enough watching you belittle people here and run your mouth and nag about the same crap! I guess you just cought me on the wrong day as I felt the need to finally say something! It's a long time coming! Have the last word I'm fine with that! I'm sure you will just bring up how I runed everything and had nothing to do with this!

Nuff said sorry loaf to hijack your thread! There are some amazing tables being created here!

[Sindbad]

Oh my god, what have I done?

 

Please calm down everybody. I'll implement both plunger types, no problem ...

 

But PLEASE calm down everybody

Edited by Sindbad, 28 March 2015 - 08:03 PM.

[Sindbad]

 

I've played JP's NASCAR I guess maybe 20 times, I only had it crash once, last ball, just about to drain down the center and an error popped up.... I've played it a few times since with no errors

Yes that's a real bitch of a bug. I played Nascar for quite a time now and I had no crash at all.

@all: please report in which situation you got a crash. Did VP crash when the ball drains or hits a special object/target something like this. Maybe Toxie and I can nail it down that way. The crash report won't help because on Win7/8 you have the ASLR (address space layout randomization). A feature to prevent evil programs hijacking other applications but that means the address reported by the crash report. I will try to add a better crash report in VP in the next builds.

 

 

 

Fuzzel,

I just tried Nascar for the first time (JP did once again an awesome job). After the last ball went into the drain, two balls that were hold in the left area of the playfield were freed and went also into the drain. After the second ball of them went into the drain, VP crashed. I'm not sure, if I the drain sound was played or not. But I don't see the ball any more. So I think VP crashed during or directly after the ball went into the drain. I'll test some more .

 

Edit:

 

Okay, I'm more or less able to reproduce it on demand. VP crashes when the ball goes into the drain. I don't hear any drain sound, and the GI lights are still on. It takes one or two seconds from the ball goes into drain until the error message appears. It seems that there might be some recovery handling in the background. CPU usage went very high in that moment.

 

Edit:

 

It only appeared when there were more than one ball on the playfield at the same time. And I don't mean the captive balls, I mean balls that came onto the playfield via the plunger. I'll test more ...

Edited by Sindbad, 28 March 2015 - 09:10 PM.

[freneticamnesic]

 

 

I've played JP's NASCAR I guess maybe 20 times, I only had it crash once, last ball, just about to drain down the center and an error popped up.... I've played it a few times since with no errors

Yes that's a real bitch of a bug. I played Nascar for quite a time now and I had no crash at all.

@all: please report in which situation you got a crash. Did VP crash when the ball drains or hits a special object/target something like this. Maybe Toxie and I can nail it down that way. The crash report won't help because on Win7/8 you have the ASLR (address space layout randomization). A feature to prevent evil programs hijacking other applications but that means the address reported by the crash report. I will try to add a better crash report in VP in the next builds.

 

 

 

Fuzzel,

I just tried Nascar for the first time (JP did once again an awesome job). After the last ball went into the drain, two balls that were hold in the left area of the playfield were freed and went also into the drain. After the second ball of them went into the drain, VP crashed. I'm not sure, if I the drain sound was played or not. But I don't see the ball any more. So I think VP crashed during or directly after the ball went into the drain. I'll test some more .

 

 

Try the new build 1884 just posted, it has a crash report feature

[Sindbad]

Huh, thanks for the info ...

 

Just installed latest beta and re-produced the crash - but it seems there's no crash report ...

[Shockman]

I'll always try my best to do it right. But I realise that I'm not able to it right for all users. Another user "warned" me that he would not play my tables when they don't have an impulse plunger and that using the VP plunger is "crap". So I decided to use only impulse plungers. Now I realise that an impulse plunger is not the best friend of all users.

 

Sometimes I'd like to give up and let others build the tables ...

 

Okay, I'll check if I can add an option to the config dialog where you can select plunger types.

 

I didn't say I wouldn't play them. I said I would have to mod it to have an impulse plunger. I was assuming you were focused on FS which usually means mech. plunger. I did say the VP plunger is crap though. You can create a nice mech. plunger or a nice non mech. plunger, but you can not check or uncheck use mech. plunger without rebuilding the plunger too.

 

I don't play VP9 but the plunger may have been fixed in that. It may be possible to allow a fully working non mech. VP plunger to contact the ball soon. I know I beat the drum for impulse plungers, but I will blow a friggin trumpet when I can say good riddance to them. 

 

So I won't be disappointed if you change it back. I can make a plunge, work the way I want, on any table, very easily

Edited by Shockman, 28 March 2015 - 11:48 PM.

[Talantyyr]

@Shockman, have you tested the new plunger 9.9.1 version by mjr? Maybe this fixes the plunger for you too? He's working on a port to vp10. 

[evilantal]

Don't know if this was reported, but I'm getting a script error with EvilDead: "variable undefined b2son"

[Shockman]

I don't have any VP9 tables, but the plunger seems to work fine in that.

[The Loafer]

Well, since I started the thread I will allow myself to post the following:

Sindbad: the argument above has nothing to do with the plunger issue, so don't take it personal, this goes beyond any issues. The bottom line is option C is more valid: try to see if you can have an option to switch one or the other but it's totally valid to make the table anyway you want and nicely explain that is as far as you go for that feature.

CK: I know you are a contributor, you've provided a lot of art assets if I recall correctly. Although sometimes there is too much drama, each of us should reflect on our own roles in what creates drama. constructive criticism should always be welcomed, but is there sometimes a better way to say our message, though I think the issue here isn't so bad aside from you are a very blunt person?

Where I do think you are completely off is bringing Mukuste on this conversation. His absence I don't think it has anything to do with one member telling another member off about a plunger or about being negative. Yes, I miss him too but if you are right, what prevents Mukuste to go to the other site if the other site has no such issue? (Mukuste: if you read this, that's not a shot at you! Just think it's wrong to point the finger at an argument about negativity (towards a member) as the main reason for your leave of absence)

ICP: I share some of your frustration, I think some members focus a little too much on what is wrong with a table instead of what is right. In saying that, frustrations you may be feeling aside, I've seen worse offending messages.

I think this is one of those times when recognizing there are many ways to communicate but not all of them are as successful. Let's be patient with each other and I think realize that all of us, with no exceptions, believe what we say leads to a way to prove VP or its tables. That is the common ground to seek patience and understanding and self-improvement

Father loaf steps off his pew

[Dozer316]

I noticed with the Nascar crash after doing a heap of testing that indeed the table often crashes when the last two balls drain down the outside speedway track part of the playfield.  

At this point, there is a large trigger which is used to accelerate the ball back around to the right hand side diverter or around the track again.

 

I originally said to Fuzzel or Toxie (cannot remember now) that it seemed to have something to do with these triggers.   However the table can crash at random times too sometimes before the ball has even passed over the acceleration magnets.

Edited by Dozer316, 29 March 2015 - 04:33 PM.

[The Loafer]

I have had nascar crash without any balls draining, but it usually happens when the ball swoops around on the track several times. Haven't tried In a few days though, now on hour 20 of overtime for this weekend :berk!

[chepas]

Don't know if this was reported, but I'm getting a script error with EvilDead: "variable undefined b2son"

 

You copied script into table I posted. Probably missing this from paste

Dim b2sOn:b2sOn = True

[evilantal]

 

Don't know if this was reported, but I'm getting a script error with EvilDead: "variable undefined b2son"

 

You copied script into table I posted. Probably missing this from paste

Dim b2sOn:b2sOn = True

 

No, just downloaded the table from the first post (today) and used as is.

The mentioned line is present at the top of the script. I noticed that the script also reads B2S.Controller.B2S.Name="MastersOfThe Universe".

 

VP shows the error at line 86

[ClarkKent]

CK: I know you are a contributor, you've provided a lot of art assets if I recall correctly. Although sometimes there is too much drama, each of us should reflect on our own roles in what creates drama. constructive criticism should always be welcomed, but is there sometimes a better way to say our message, though I think the issue here isn't so bad aside from you are a very blunt person?
Where I do think you are completely off is bringing Mukuste on this conversation. His absence I don't think it has anything to do with one member telling another member off about a plunger or about being negative. Yes, I miss him too but if you are right, what prevents Mukuste to go to the other site if the other site has no such issue? (Mukuste: if you read this, that's not a shot at you! Just think it's wrong to point the finger at an argument about negativity (towards a member) as the main reason for your leave of absence

It would really be interesting why you only lesson me and do not have clear words for ICPJuggla who was very rude and started the drama!?!?! I know why mukuste left, so please do not speculate.

[chepas]

 

 

Don't know if this was reported, but I'm getting a script error with EvilDead: "variable undefined b2son"

 

You copied script into table I posted. Probably missing this from paste

Dim b2sOn:b2sOn = True

 

No, just downloaded the table from the first post (today) and used as is.

The mentioned line is present at the top of the script. I noticed that the script also reads B2S.Controller.B2S.Name="MastersOfThe Universe".

 

VP shows the error at line 86

 

 

Ok, sorry. Just change the .Name to EvilDead. I have just loaded & tested plus uploading.

[The Loafer]

Because although not in this case (which I said this), I also said I share his frustration. Ie for other times I just kind of find you pushy, that is not a crime, I hear I am preach, that is not a crime either. Both are born at times from good intention. I think that was my point

In saying that, I am saying we should all use better words and I said I have seen worse words, what you said this time should not have been enough to have him react as he did. Bad ICP, BAD. I guess I wasn't clear enough for you, maybe for ICP too, sorry.

Opinions are free and freely ignored. Do as you please.

For the Mukuste subject, again, remind him of your belief that there's no bad drama at other places and tell him I said "hi". . I am certainly looking forward to reading his posts and seeing his contributions. That is not sarcasm!