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[jpsalas]

After watching many movies on YouTube I noticed that VP is not able to display fast flickering and pulsing of flashers. Maybe VP10 will be able to do so?

 

That's because nobody has scripted the flashers to do that I can guarantee that you can do anything you want with the flash object

[unclewilly]

But aren't the flashers controled by the solenoids?
Essentially doesn't vp already do what the solenoids are outputting

[Shoopity]

From what I've seen on some of the tables, I think some authors go for the "eye candy" of fading lights even though in real life the flash much faster (especially LEDs since there's very little, if any, fade with them since there's no filament to warm up/cool down).  A good example was someone recently posted a side-by-side video of the newest CV mod next to a real life game.  I don't know if speeding up the fading timer would be more realistic or not.

[ClarkKent]

Nevertheless if you look at the purple flashers in MB, they should blink very fast and also pulse before Frank raises. That's totally missing in that table. And on many other tables the flashers are blinking much much faster than on the VP creation. It's only something I observed watching videos and playing on the real machines...

[teppotee]

Adjusting the flasher timer or modifying the fading steps etc. can make the flashers much faster. I tried that for example in IJ for the strobe flasher because with the default flasher settings it wasn't flashing at all  (not sure if I have released that version or not...). So all is doable with the current version already.

 

I guess the slowly fading flashers are a personal preference (at least for me) . As VP is missing real time reflections etc. it's easier to "enjoy" the flashers on the table when they are visible for a bit longer time.

[unclewilly]

The fading timer is really only 30 ms.
So that is only 120 ms not even a quarter of a second for the full fade.

If you'd like to test it out please just reduce the timer interval on the lamp and flash timer on mb and post your results.

You also need to remember that most authors who have been around a while set this intervals a little larger to compensate for people with weaker hardware. There was a time when one of the main cures for stutter was to increase the fading timer interval..
I don't know about any other authors, but I for one have been getting flack since I started making tables that I added to many lighting effects that people couldn't play them so I try to get things somewhere in the middle without sacrificing too much quality.

Please use mb as an experiment, play with the fade timer and let me know if you can get the pulsing effect in mb. I'm curious as to wether it is a the timer or the rate at which pinmame transfers it's solenoid calls

[The Loafer]

That's all we need; someone to sue authors for triggering an epileptic attack!

Edited by The Loafer, 05 August 2014 - 10:43 AM.

[gtxjoe]

Does anyone know what the fade in and fade out characteristics for an incandescent bulb are?  Has this been discussed/captured anywhere.  The flasher object scripts could be adjusted to this behavior.  And hopefully the VPX lights that fuzzel implemented

[unclewilly]

I haven't done any experimenting with this yet, but I would think if the fading timer is reduced to too small of a number you almost wouldn't even see the flashers. Maybe I'm wrong.
I'm in the middle of a really busy week so won't have much vp time till next week

[Shoopity]

Please use mb as an experiment, play with the fade timer and let me know if you can get the pulsing effect in mb. I'm curious as to wether it is a the timer or the rate at which pinmame transfers it's solenoid calls

I'm convinced that either VPM isn't doing that right, or in real life those "Tesla Coils" are hooked up to multiple sources.  I've watched the VPM simulator during the Frank sequence and that Flasher (19) is constantly on in the simulator.  So it's not a timer issue.  Does anyone have access to a RL Monster Bash and can they see what those Flashers are hooked up to?

[toxie]

here is a quick (and for now untested, as i only have 32bit systems at home :/) 64bit build of current VP10, so for the brave of you that wanna try this:

 

EDIT: please rename the scilexer64.dll in there to scilexer.dll

 

EDIT2: seems like the build still has way too many flaws, thanks for the early bird testers though!

Attached Files

•  vpinballx_64.zip   2.98MB   34 downloads

Edited by toxie, 06 August 2014 - 06:13 AM.

[The Loafer]

Cool! Does this build include the physics mod (5)?

[RYSr]

here is a quick (and for now untested, as i only have 32bit systems at home :/) 64bit build of current VP10, so for the brave of you that wanna try this:

 

EDIT: please rename the scilexer64.dll in there to scilexer.dll

 

Renamed Scilexer64.dll and copied all files to Visual Pinball directory on a Win 8.1 64 bit ran as administrator, got a App wouldn't start correctly 0xc0150002 error. VP 990a also won't load with these Dll's.

 

Copied old scilexer and Freeimage dll's back and 990a runs OK, but  v10 will not.

Rich

 

PS: I also renamed Vpinball.exe to vpinballv10alpha.exe 

 

Will this version create a new branch in the registry like v99 did?

Edited by RYSr, 07 August 2014 - 01:46 AM.

[Slydog43]

I really hope a new registry location, great question.  I think I need to know before attemping this, but not sure I can wait

[patrickfx]

Hello guys, is it only me ???  Sometimes (when I have times), I like to follow thread for innovative initiative like this, but sometimes, like this times, I have hard times to follow.

 

For me, VP10 is the next step of VP 9 and it's waiting for a lot of peoples, we all hope for new engine and enhancement.  Now, I see a vpinballx_64.zip file with mention that it's the new VP10.  EEEEE!  Is it true ?  I was waiting a full announcement for the first VP10 release.  

[The Loafer]

Consider it an early "alpha" Patrick, for testing purposes only

[sliderpoint]

Same error as Rich for the 64bit test.

 

-Mike

[jpsalas]

Thanks toxie for the build, but I can't run it either. VP starts, but as soon as I start a new table or load an older one I get an error that VP has stopped working. This is the windows event log, in case it help you understand what's wrong:

 

Faulting application name: vpinball.exe, version: 10.0.0.0, time stamp: 0x53e15545
Faulting module name: KERNELBASE.dll, version: 6.1.7601.18409, time stamp: 0x5315a05a
Exception code: 0xc0000005
Fault offset: 0x0000000000003a28
Faulting process id: 0xa50
Faulting application start time: 0x01cfb12041105be7
Faulting application path: D:\Visual_Pinball\vpinballx_64\vpinball.exe
Faulting module path: C:\Windows\system32\KERNELBASE.dll
Report Id: 80d9bc19-1d13-11e4-bc8d-c86000a61aac

 

Running Windows 64 Pro.

JP

[RNunez187]

Program opened fine but crashed as soon as table started loading. Win7 64

[toxie]

Thanks a lot guys for testing!

 

As said, this was a blind shot, as i don't have 64bit systems at home (for now). And as i thought there was a super tiny chance of at least the default table working, i posted this.

But seems like there is still a bit more work to do.