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[wiesshund]

 

 

Would it be possible to add per table setting to make just the ball lighter (change it's brightness) ? Or maybe there is a way I don't know of ? On some dark tables which are nice dark, the ball is too dark, and I use override ball image (the same ball for all of the tables).

Probably not.
The ball shows up as it does as a result of the table environmentals and the ball textures

Sometimes you just have to switch the ball to one of your liking, darker tables need a brighter more reflective ball.

 

For really dark tables, sometimes a mild glowball effect is nice

not glowing orb of nuclear holocaust type of glowing, just a very mild glow

 

Yeah, I thought about that but for all tables now I use Override ball image global setting in GFX Settings... if I wanted it per table I would need to disable override and set it for all of my tables one by one

And for majority of tables I am fine with override settings I have now.

 

I have lots of balls

 

eh ok that just sounds weird

 

but yea i have a folder with a lot of different balls, some are from other people like JP, some i made.

 

I dont download many tables at once, guess i am kind of picky

1st thing i do is decide if i actually want the table or not

2nd thing i do is go customize it, maybe redo some sounds or bump up the volumes anyways, add ssf if it does not have it, if it has no LUTs i might give it at least one, might change the environment, i have a bunch of those too, maybe swap the ball if it needs something a bit different, if a table just has stock physics, i might swap it over to JP's physics or what not.
 

I may even like play the table too LOL

[lukpcn]

 

 

 

Would it be possible to add per table setting to make just the ball lighter (change it's brightness) ? Or maybe there is a way I don't know of ? On some dark tables which are nice dark, the ball is too dark, and I use override ball image (the same ball for all of the tables).

Probably not.
The ball shows up as it does as a result of the table environmentals and the ball textures

Sometimes you just have to switch the ball to one of your liking, darker tables need a brighter more reflective ball.

 

For really dark tables, sometimes a mild glowball effect is nice

not glowing orb of nuclear holocaust type of glowing, just a very mild glow

 

Yeah, I thought about that but for all tables now I use Override ball image global setting in GFX Settings... if I wanted it per table I would need to disable override and set it for all of my tables one by one

And for majority of tables I am fine with override settings I have now.

 

I have lots of balls

 

eh ok that just sounds weird

 

but yea i have a folder with a lot of different balls, some are from other people like JP, some i made.

 

I dont download many tables at once, guess i am kind of picky

1st thing i do is decide if i actually want the table or not

2nd thing i do is go customize it, maybe redo some sounds or bump up the volumes anyways, add ssf if it does not have it, if it has no LUTs i might give it at least one, might change the environment, i have a bunch of those too, maybe swap the ball if it needs something a bit different, if a table just has stock physics, i might swap it over to JP's physics or what not.
 

I may even like play the table too LOL

 

yeah I setup and tweak all tables when adding them, but to have separate ball for just couple of them and the fav one for the rest I would need to go through the setup of all of them

[batch]

I downloaded rc328 and now the table "Star Wars Trilogy (Sega 1997)" from 32assassin doesn't work properly

 

The ball remains trapped in the right hole (kicker "sw46") and below the left "X-Wing spaceship" which also doesn't move at all when I open the table

 

 

If I go back to rc310, everything works properly again

 

I switched from rc310 to rc328 several times

 

I tried another table "Indiana Jones - NZ&TT 1.2" and with this one, at first ball, two balls are thrown in the shooter lane

Edited by batch, 19 October 2021 - 12:38 PM.

[fuzzel]

Looks like the bounding box optimizations in 328 have issues...@toxie can you take a look?

[poipoi]

An easy way to verify the issue is on Star wars (Data East) 1.5.1 -> only the inner half part of the left flip will reflect the ball.

Edited by poipoi, 19 October 2021 - 12:41 PM.

[Darkiller]

I tried another table "Indiana Jones - NZ&TT 1.2" and with this one, at first ball, two balls are thrown in the shooter lane

 

 

 

--> yes, this is what I mentionned just above. basically it is the trapped ball that leaves its secured spot up there, drains down the middle at the start of any game, and so when you then press "start", two balls are thrown in the shooter lane: Ball 1 and what should normally be the trapped ball.

[jpsalas]

I tried another table "Indiana Jones - NZ&TT 1.2" and with this one, at first ball, two balls are thrown in the shooter lane

 

 

 

--> yes, this is what I mentionned just above. basically it is the trapped ball that leaves its secured spot up there, drains down the middle at the start of any game, and so when you then press "start", two balls are thrown in the shooter lane: Ball 1 and what should normally be the trapped ball.

 

That's what happens when you don't use a vpm captive ball I have seen many authors not using that array of functions from the core.vbs, like captive balls, locks, and similar. They were designed to reduce cpu use due to too many collisions and to have a much better control over the ball events, and better control over the captive balls so they don't act weird

Read about these functions in the text vbsdoc_outdated.html found in the scripts folder. Even if it says "outdated" everything in there can be used as it is in the core.vbs.

[Thalamus]

My guess is that there is going to be a few tables that isn't working going from 10.6 to 10.7 - mostly due to the amount of fixes and improvements gone into the sub revision. Unfortunate, sure, fixable, absolutely. The issues is more of, re-use of code and if it "was" working, there where no reason to change it. Of course, there might still be bug introduced as well. Again, why there is beta releases in the first place.

[batch]

For "Star Wars Trilogy (Sega 1997)" and "Indiana Jones - NZ&TT 1.2" it didn't happen from 10.6 to 10.7, but from rc310 to rc328

 

I noticed that because I played Star Wars Trilogy just before the rc328 update and everything was working fine

 

And I tried Indiana Jones to verify if I had the same problem than "Darkiller"

 

These two tables work fine with rc310

Edited by batch, 19 October 2021 - 09:38 PM.

[fourbanks]

I tried another table "Indiana Jones - NZ&TT 1.2" and with this one, at first ball, two balls are thrown in the shooter lane

 

 

 

--> yes, this is what I mentionned just above. basically it is the trapped ball that leaves its secured spot up there, drains down the middle at the start of any game, and so when you then press "start", two balls are thrown in the shooter lane: Ball 1 and what should normally be the trapped ball.

same here was ok but not on this latest update. 2 balls in the shooter lane and the flippers not responding at times

 

I tried another table "Indiana Jones - NZ&TT 1.2" and with this one, at first ball, two balls are thrown in the shooter lane

 

 

 

--> yes, this is what I mentionned just above. basically it is the trapped ball that leaves its secured spot up there, drains down the middle at the start of any game, and so when you then press "start", two balls are thrown in the shooter lane: Ball 1 and what should normally be the trapped ball.

same here was ok but not on this latest update. 2 balls in the shooter lane and the flippers not responding at times

 

Indiana Jones_ The Pinball Adventure (Williams 1993)_Bigus(MOD) 1.0  this build appears to be ok 

[Seraph74]

Is it perhaps a problem with star triggers between rc 310 and 328 ??

 

Another table that has stopped working (in between revisions) is JP's Nascar.  Normally the ball circles around the table before launch, now it gets about halfway and falls back into the drain

[wiesshund]

Looks like the bounding box optimizations in 328 have issues...@toxie can you take a look?

 

Take a look at what may have happened to physics also?

Something massively wrong with them, everything acts like the ball is made out of superball material

Put table in 10.6.2, physics normal

Put table in 10.7 R310 physics notmal

Put table in 10.7 R329 and Uber rebound physics, you can not catch a ball on the flipper because it bounces half way up the playfield
not just the flipper, bumpers rubbers etc act the same

 

This is on SW trilogy

My X Wing bobbles around though, that part works, for me anyways.

I did not think the physics should drastically change from 310 to 329?

 

Unless there is an inherent flaw in the tables design that was leveraging some kind of vpx 10.6 flaw?

 

Yes indiana jones pinball adventure from

ninuzzu,tom tower

Does not work.
 

But as JP points out, that may be more a fault of the table design and 10.7 just correcting a flaw that the table was making use of.

 

If not vpx bugs, but table flaws, maybe we could start compiling a technical list some place? so that we can either

reach out to table authors to fix

reach out to table authors to ask permission to fix on their behalf

reach out to table authors, and get ignored for a month, and release a fix anyways only to get yelled at by them 6 months later, but at least we has chicken

 

@JPSalas
I seem to have Your version of SW trilogy, at least so sayeth the script?
thought i had 32assassin's

[toxie]

I will have a look, no reason to panic yet..  

[wiesshund]

I will have a look, no reason to panic yet..  

what??

i cant hear you through the fire

 

[toxie]

Also one more cool thing that is in the new build: There is now an option (ported over from VPVR) in the key preferences to allow changing the input controls from Direct Input to XInput, e.g. supporting XBox and (indirectly) PlayStation controllers AND their rumble motors.  

[legtod2]

Humble appologies but I just wanted to weigh in on vpx 10.6 vs vpx 10.7.

 

To begin with I upgraded from 10.6 to 10.7 in my cabinet and found that games written specifically for 10.7 look beautiful and they play perfectly.

Unfortunately many of my other tables that are 10.6 played either too fast or the physics of the game made them no longer enjoyable.

Since I only had four 10.7 version tables I rolled back to vpx version 10.6 on my cabinet machine.

 

I am using PinballX for my front end menu system and have a few hundred 10.6 tables loaded and working flawlessly with 4K playfield TV.

 

I really want to insure my cabinet machine can keep pace with VPX versions going forward. The machine is used regularly.

This cabinet machine received a CPU and graphics card upgrade and 4k TV upgrade recently.

 

Any suggestions that would allow the Vpx 10.6 and Vpx 10.7 to co-exist on my cabinet or scripting practice that would allow 10.7 to work well with 10.6 coded tables ?

 

Really appreciate the efforts of continued development of the Virtual Pinball code.

[toxie]

Could you please point out 2 or 3 prominent table examples where you found the 10.6 tables playing too fast/with the weird physics you mentioned in 10.7?

Cause this should not happen.

[remdwaas1986]

I have an issue, i converted many png's to web files and sometimes when i save the table i loose just the images and i have to readd them in the image manager and map them to the objects again. I'm doing a table with somebody else and everytime if he worked on it in the night i loose textures and also the when i send it it looses web files.

[klodo81]

Revision 328 I have an issue

 

When I open 2 or more tables in the editor and after i close one or more tables , the tables closed stays in the Windows menu

[toxie]

I have an issue, i converted many png's to web files and sometimes when i save the table i loose just the images and i have to readd them in the image manager and map them to the objects again. I'm doing a table with somebody else and everytime if he worked on it in the night i loose textures and also the when i send it it looses web files.

If this happens again, could you please send me the table directly after that wrong save? So that i could maybe still spot something that went wrong? Ideally of course accompanied by an earlier version that still worked as expected/still has all the images.