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[sliderpoint]

I got the Tilt to work without a mechanical tilt bob, I set the Tilt Sensitivity to 950. Tested with Attack from Mars, Transformers, Scared Stiff, Medieval Madness  and they all give tilt warnings and finally tilts if you're too violent Going to test more tables when i get the time

I could not reproduce this.  Can you give more info about what version of VP you were running and which version of each of those tables?

 

-Mike

[blashyrk]

I'm running Vp9.90 accelmod by mjr https://www.dropbox....2HtOshcJWkIe6ha
1000% gain on both axes, check the Tilt sensitivity box, I had to set the sensitivity to 940, and remember to close VP when you change the nudge/tilt setting or it won't apply the changes.
Edit: Oh and thanks to The Loafer for the info.

Edited by blashyrk, 20 September 2014 - 08:00 AM.

[mrarcade]

just to get things going I wired up my flipper buttons to the freescape. I am getting significant lag from when the button pressed and when the flipper actually flips. Well I don't know if significant is an overstatement but I definitely have to push the button early in anticipation of the ball getting to the flipper. I'm running Windows 7. Any idea what I might try to fix this?

I see the lag when I go to controller settings in Windows and do the configuration so I can see the buttons light up. When I press the left flipper button the two light comes on with a lag.

if it is lagging when I'm not even running a game, it is definitely going to lag when I am. Again any ideas what I could do to solve this problem?

Edited by mrarcade, 22 September 2014 - 03:25 AM.

[skalleno]

Have tested this today for nudging, and it worked great. Used the settings from 2 posts ago. So a big thank you to mrj.

[mrarcade]

Mjr modified the pinscape firmware and the button input lag is gone. Thanks mjr, I will do some more testing.

[pixelmagic]

Just wanted to say thanks to mrj for this wonderfull new addition to The Great pinball Experience. Got the board today in the mail and had it setup and working in less then 15 minutes, perfect !! Not using the plunger because I have not much room in the cab for it.

 

Small tip for the guys in the EU, Conrad has the KL25Z for 17 euro (order number #443897) on stock., I ordered also #43234 and #526444 and got free shipping.

[mrarcade]

We had a bit of a marathon on the EK tonight. The analog nudging is so great. I can't thank mjr enough. The pinscape controller is such a great interface device. I am currently using it only for analog nudge and button inputs. It is already worth a lot more to me than I paid for it. I will be ordering the analog plunger ccd soon. My mouser order arrived, so I have the components to build the add-ons for LedWiz toy support. I am in no hurry here, just so glad to have this all-in-one solution that is so affordable.

[parabolic]

We had a bit of a marathon on the EK tonight. The analog nudging is so great. I can't thank mjr enough. The pinscape controller is such a great interface device. I am currently using it only for analog nudge and button inputs. It is already worth a lot more to me than I paid for it. I will be ordering the analog plunger ccd soon. My mouser order arrived, so I have the components to build the add-ons for LedWiz toy support. I am in no hurry here, just so glad to have this all-in-one solution that is so affordable.

You think its worth it now - JUST WAIT until you get the plunger working!! It works flawlessly - He did a great job with everything on this! Im using it for most every input - no lag or anything!

Mjr modified the pinscape firmware and the button input lag is gone. Thanks mjr, I will do some more testing.

When was this change made? within the last couple weeks?

[mrarcade]

I had lag on my flipper buttons. It wasn't a long lag, but long enough that I had to anticipate and flip early. I let mjr know and he modified the software to poll the inputs more often, and the lag was gone.

 

I am only running a P4 3Ghz with hyperthreading, maybe that is why I had lag. The lag was noticeable in the windows game controller settings window without a game even running.

 

Mjr fixed the issue very quickly. Great.

[mjr]

 

Mjr modified the pinscape firmware and the button input lag is gone. Thanks mjr, I will do some more testing.

When was this change made? within the last couple weeks?

 

Yeah, I just checked it into the mbed system a few days ago.  If you weren't seeing any lag before, then I don't think you'll notice any difference.  I reduced the debounce time for the button inputs slightly, and increased the polling frequency.  I think the lag that mrarcade was seeing might have been an interaction between the USB timing on his system and the debounce delay on the KL25Z side.  The debounce timing was more conservative than it needed to be; the change tightened that up a bit, which seemed to do the trick.

[gigalula]

I would like to say thanks for your pinscape code it work pretty well on VP.  

 

A simple question concerning FP. Could it be possible to program this device to be use as VP and FP nudging device?

 

 

[skalleno]

Those of you that use this for buttons, did you solder it on? Or is there a smarter way?

[mrarcade]

Those of you that use this for buttons, did you solder it on? Or is there a smarter way?

I wasn't sure about soldering to all the pins on the headers, so here is what I think I will do: get 1 header of each size that has 3mm pins up and 3mm pins down, and get 2 housings of each size. Solder wires to KL25Z, sort them to 4 housings (13x2, 12x2, 3x2, 2x2). Housing plugs onto open pin side of header, then the matching housing plugs into the shrouded side of the header, wires go out to cabinet destinations. Less soldering, no breadboard, just crimp pins and plug in for under $8.
 
Cart of parts: http://www.mouser.co...ssID=7a748f047f
 

[gigalula]

Yep better use connectors for easy setup.

Those of you that use this for buttons, did you solder it on? Or is there a smarter way?

Sorry my buttons are already mounted on Ledwiz [1] + smt booster board so at least I have more possibility for the future with this LedWiz detection [8] device

Edited by gigalula, 30 September 2014 - 04:34 AM.

[hauntfreaks]

hey guys lookin for some opinions if you think my nudge is set high enough.... this is in FP.... 

 

[hauntfreaks]

 

ok... got the new CCD wired it up... "taped" it into place... voila it works,,,, so it was a badd CCD

 

i'm guess because its an electronic part Mouser won't warranty something that been soldered on.... 

 

That's great!  Not great that the first one didn't work, I mean, but glad to hear the new one did the trick.

 

Mouser's return policy page isn't very detailed - I can't tell if they'd take a return in this case.  I think it's worth requesting an RMA, though - It seems like it would be tough to test this part without soldering it into a circuit, and it's not like they could resell a bad one anyway.

 

 

MJR... I got some good news today.... Mouser DID refund me the money for the CCD... they have won my business from now on...

[skalleno]

Those of you that use this for buttons, did you solder it on? Or is there a smarter way?

I wasn't sure about soldering to all the pins on the headers, so here is what I think I will do: get 1 header of each size that has 3mm pins up and 3mm pins down, and get 2 housings of each size. Solder wires to KL25Z, sort them to 4 housings (13x2, 12x2, 3x2, 2x2). Housing plugs onto open pin side of header, then the matching housing plugs into the shrouded side of the header, wires go out to cabinet destinations. Less soldering, no breadboard, just crimp pins and plug in for under $8.
 
Cart of parts: http://www.mouser.co...ssID=7a748f047f
 

Thank you for the tip.

[vulbas]

hello, very good job !!

 

Would it be possible, is to use a potentiometer with this card? 

it Would Be more accurate and less expensive.

[mjr]

 

Would it be possible, is to use a potentiometer with this card? 

it Would Be more accurate and less expensive.

 

I assume you're talking about using a potentiometer for the plunger sensor.  It would be possible to use it with this *card*, but not with this software - the software is specifically written for the CCD.  It's open-source, though, so you're free to fork the code base and add potentiometer plunger support if you want.  The card has an ADC input, which could be used to read the voltage on the pot and thereby deduce its position.  

 

A potentiometer would be less expensive, but more accurate?  Could you explain your thinking there?  I can't imagine how a potentiometer could be anywhere near as accurate or as precise.  The CCD gives an absolute position to about 1/50 of an inch (with the default settings in the software - the device itself actually has 400 dpi resolution, but for the sake of faster read cycles the software I only sample at about 50 dpi).  By absolute position, I mean that each pixel has a fixed position in space relative to the plunger, so there's simply no possibility of calibration drift.  Potentiometer joysticks are notorious for calibration drift - they're sensitive to things like temperature and variations in the reference voltage from the power supply.  And it would be hard to get precision at the 50 dpi level - if you tried to digitize the voltage that finely you'd probably see a lot of jitter from thermal noise.

[randr]

Finally switched to this modded version thank you! I did have it lock up on me a couple times though...this should work fine even though I have a different nudge board?