Do you have some pinball machines or access to some? So you could perform some friction tests!
No, I don't have any real pinball machines. I was hopeful that the slow-motion videos that randr made would provide data on this, but unfortunately the framerate wasn't quite sufficient to see the spin on a fast-moving ball.
I have the same problem (windows 8.1). I thought that was only me.
Everything runs fine on "VP9_DX9_test13.exe". The "VP_physmod.exe" can render fine the "Champion Pub_FS_2_3a_DX9" and the normal version of "Whitewater_vp91x_1.1.1", with the flippers very slow because the tables are not adjusted to the new settings probably. When I try the "Whitewater VP91x 1.1.1 FS - New Physics" posted on this thread, the table is not rendered, and I get a VpinMame error.
All other versions are working fine with my vpinmame install. I tested this with admin set and not, and it does not appear to make any difference. If anyone has any ideas I would be very glad to hear.
Try the default table I posted.
What VPM error do you get? It's probably because that WW version uses B2S, but you can change the controller back to VPinMame in the table script.
Also, for anyone having crashes: the very latest DX9 builds (including the physmod) use their own registry key, so make sure the video options are set up correctly (windowed fullscreen etc)!
You are a wizard. I can basically replicate the feel of the Addams Family table I last played. Nudging the friction down a bit so there's a little more -bounce- feels good to me. Of course the tables I've played recently haven't been in a great state of repair, but hey it feels so right! I don't think I'm going to need another exe for a while, just going to go and tweak a bunch of my favourite tables, see you in a few months 
Thanks for tackling all of this physics stuff, to me there is nothing comparable right now! Thanks doesn't even cut it really!
Well put. I tried a few tables today (WCS '94, F-14, T***), and I pretty much have no interest in playing any of my existing tables unless they get adjusted for the new physics. The improvement is that significant. Pretty graphics are nice but this is a huge upgrade.
One thing I noticed with WCS '94 - The ball spins like a top when held by the magnetic multi-ball lock. It doesn't much matter because it just drops into a holding area below once released, but it was funny looking nonetheless. I can see spinners are another thing that need adjustment, they don't move very much as-is.
I had two incidents of the ball disappearing - The first was on F14's diverters. It was before I had adjusted the "flipper" strengths on the diverters, the ball just vanished one time after pushing its way through the weak flipper. The next was on WCS94's left ramp. It's possible it just got stuck somewhere along the top and I couldn't see it. Ramps feel a little sticky in general. Neither were easily repeatable unfortunately.
To be honest I'm pretty amazed myself how much closer to the real thing the simulation can now get with this upgrade. In my opinion these physics are now significantly better than those in, say, TPA. That they still haven't managed to simulate ball spin, something that is in my opinion absolutely fundamental to a realistic pinball simulation, is really a bit embarrassing.
Magnets are implemented in script, so it's not easy to fix this. It should however get much better once I add some kind of spinning friction around the vertical axis.
The simulation can get very instable with non-adjusted flippers, so the ball can just fly off the table or whatever. I have a tweak which I still want to make which should help with ramp stability. The "stickyness" is simply due to the friction value, however.
I would have made ramp friction adjustable, it's very easy to do in the code, but once we do that people will have to adjust friction values for ALL playfield objects (ramps, walls etc) to get realistic results. All of those are hardcoded right now. So that takes significantly more effort from the end user and is probably more than most people are willing to do just to try out the physics mod. It will be in a more final release, of course, so that table authors can tweak those things.
Edited by mukuste, 14 April 2014 - 02:36 AM.
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and I haven't even started with the woodworking.
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