35 replies to this topic

[epthegeek]

Cool project. Do you have a rule sheet of how you've rewritten things anywhere?

[Shooby Doo]

I just gave it a shot and must say, it's pretty darn cool. There is a lot of potential there. I really like some of the new animations and changes. I see how this could breathe new life into some played-out tables.

[H4CK3R]

Can this be used with VP9, to activate thumper, and triggers on cab builds? Extra ball Solenoid!!

[H4CK3R]

What I mean is, can it be used in conjuntion with Pinmame, to activate motors, and other items. I have a Virtual Cab build.



Would be sweet if for some games I can activate the thumper for extra ball, or extra game, ect. I Rumbler for games like TFTC. ect ect.

H4CK3R

Edited by H4CK3R, 27 May 2010 - 03:53 PM.

[destruk]

I don't see how this could be used on a real table - who wants alternate rom code to possibly burn up their machine? Test it on a real machine for a few months and then we might add it to VPM.

[KloggMonkey]

What I mean is, can it be used in conjuntion with Pinmame, to activate motors, and other items. I have a Virtual Cab build.



Would be sweet if for some games I can activate the thumper for extra ball, or extra game, ect. I Rumbler for games like TFTC. ect ect.

H4CK3R

Seems like you would need something like this to run your cab effects. Looks like it could be hooked up to any thing from blinking lit buttons to firing knockers.
Might be able put something in the table script that tells the pacdrive to start an effect when table events happen like replay, similar to playing a sound in the script.
I'm sure they have articles or posts about doing this over at hyperpin, because I'm just guessing on one possible way to do it.

I think hooking a real knocker up would be a cool mod for pincabs, a shaker motor or solenoids for slings, flippers, and bumpers might be a bit overkill.

Going to look into FreeWPC when I get crazy enough to make my own Bill Paxton project except I would prolly do Arnold theme... too many good one liners.

[destruk]

Well then why the "if it burns your machine, don't come running to me" disclaimer? You make it sound like it's a computer virus. If it isn't, I'll add it to vpm right now so you don't need to mess with filenames, what do you want the driver to be called? geesh. There isn't much need for conflict over this.

IF YOU FIT THESE ROMS TO A REAL TABLE THEN YOU DO SO AT YOUR OWN RISK!
THIS IS BETA SOFTWARE AND IS NOT THE FINAL PRODUCT!

That does not inspire any confidence. Is the machine going to catch on fire if this code is used?

[destruk]

You keep editing your posts, so I don't know what you said or when you said it. Sorry. Anyway, vpm is open source now so you could just add the roms to that.

[TheMcD]

Speaking of which, you edited your post (silently using your mod privileges) to included the extra bit of text, once you had bothered to read up on what it was you were talking about:

I'm going to take exception to that. Nobody is able to edit silently in this board software. What you noticed is probably the automatic double post merge.

That is all. I recall using your ROM in Groni's TZ table without problems, so testing in VP works just fine. Just a heads up. It was quite bare-bones to that time, though. Guess I'll have to try it again once I get myself some admin privileges - AKA my own laptop.

The McD

[JimWeinstein]

This looks like a great project!
Please don't take offense to anything posted here. There's way too much of that in my opinion. It's way to easy for misunderstandings to happen and they tend to steamroll.
If you're putting it out there then I'm sure that there will be people who are interested in trying out these roms. An extension for PinMame would probably be nice so that people could code add-ons to games, but it doesn't sound necessary from what you've said. I look forward to hearing more about this as more progress is made. Of course, people should take care when putting anything in their actual machine and I appreciate your warning those of us who might try it.

Jim

[destruk]

When you reply to your own thread too quickly it merges what you type into the existing thread. I hate that feature of this forum software.
Anyway, I really wish you would see that I just would like to help. There are a couple of issues -

#1 I would personally prefer if users don't need to rename rom files to get them to work in VPM - this can be done a number of different ways. Allow me to explain my reasons clearly to you and try to diffuse whatever preconceptions you have about me. The reason we have a rom name is for version control - your free wpc rom names have version numbers included in them. This leads to a misunderstanding that your TZ_94H.ROM is a modified official TZ Home version rom 9.4.
Now I understand you simply did that so end users can simply merge it over their existing set, replacing their original tz_94H romset to use in Visual PinMAME. This will cause them to 'lose' their original TZ 94h rom code in that file.
The romset, checksum, and other data we use to allow these roms to run inside PinMAME are solely there to prevent unknown romsets from being used in the wrong system, or to prevent damaged/incomplete roms from crashing the emulator.
The other roms available on the FreeWPC site all have an f in front of the filename, it is just TZ_94H that would cause an actual issue with overwriting existing files as it is already.

Now, to fix this issue, anyone can add a driver name, checksum, and romset name to PinMAME and recompile it. That way the rom would be added to the database and future updates could easily be made to the source code for future revisions - along with historical information such as a release date or special information incorporated right into the emulator.

#2 If I was to add this romset into VPM, I would want some assurance that the romset being added does something unique - has some redeeming value. Anyone can plainly see FreeWPC is a breathtaking, amazing, leap of enormous coding skill and it would be awesome to be able to make your own WPC romset for any game you wanted. I would truly love to support the FreeWPC project as much as I personally can.

#3 I would also want the romset itself to not damage a real machine, should some owner put the code on a chip and put it into their machine. You consider that being hostile, but I would look at that point as being an 'endorsement' of your product. You say the roms have been run in real machines - that would have been nice to know before, and your readme.txt file and original post in this thread led me to think otherwise.

#4 I would prefer if we could simply be civil. I'm not attacking you, and I'm not attacking your work. You asked me not to send you any more PM's and I can respect that, but lack of communication doesn't usually make problems or personality conflicts go away. If truly nothing can be resolved, you could simply remove the checksum feature of pinmame/vpm and recompile - it's not difficult to bypass. I can offer to add the roms to a driver name to vpm for you, or whatever you need to help this project succeed.

[dave the cool]

so does this mean that we would be able to write codes for stern S.A.M. games? that would be way cool!

[TheMcD]

Not that from what I've gathered. One might be able to write comparable code in the WPC engine, but... yeah, that might actually work. Might.

The McD