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[TomVS]

Hello,

 

I have a cabinet with visual pinball, and installed FUTURE PINBALL today...

The tabels work, the buttons work with my pinscape, kl25Z, setup just as in Visual Pinball

 

 

PINSCAPE --> In the settings, Mouse/Joypad controller I can enable Pinscape... and map my KL25z pinscape buttons, no problem...

 

PROBLEM -->  For nudging..... I cannot select axis in the field NUDGEX, NUDGEY

                      

                         I have only the option NONE there :-(

 

Can anyone help to make use of the pinscape KL25Z accelerometer to get nudging to work in future pinball???

I searched the forum but could not find a beginners helpline....

 

Thanks!

[GeorgeH]

If I remember correctly, the analog nudge must be used because the digital nudge does not work.  If I am wrong then the opposite is true.  

[TomVS]

It seems indeed that Analog Nudging does not work... 

 

But how do you convert the kl25z analog signals to digital ones... And ... How do you set this up in BAM / Future Pinball ????

[GeorgeH]

Sorry I just read it somewhere.  Maybe someone else can help?

[Serabile2]

Same here!

Everything working with VPX in my Windows 7.

 

I have installed "Future Pinball and BAM 2 in 1 installer" today, following the instructions of TerryRed, but I do not see the AXIS options for Pinscape.

 

In old forum posts, they suggested changing the keyboard to English (USA), others to English (UK). I have tried both, no changes, still does not appear.

I have uninstalled FP + BAM, cleaned the registry, and reinstalled, with no changes.

 

Any idea what it could be?

[GeorgeH]

I don't have a pincab but you might want to check this:

 

https://vpinball.com...abinet-buttons/

[TomVS]

I don't have a pincab but you might want to check this:

 

https://vpinball.com...abinet-buttons/

 

I read that post before.... Still no explenation how to nudge in future pinball with a KL25Z

 

I suppose it can not be that hard because there are so many cabinet users that use a kl25z

 

Can anyone point us in the right direction?

[wiesshund]

I have same issue, only with FP
Does not matter what device i ask it to use, could be an xbox360 controller.

Devices work in windows, axis's all register properly, and work in Visual Pinball 8 through 10.7 beta just fine
But in FP, only the buttons are usable, the analog axis's dont appear.

Only options in the analog dropdowns is NONE

 

And this is even on a fresh windows 10 build 2004 installation with a fresh install of Future Pinball.

I did try something from an old post about copying Dinput8.dll to FP folder.
All that resulted in was giving the option of only the Mouse to choose, And still no axis's in the dropdowns.

 

Yea, i can have the axis emulate buttons, but sometimes you do want to just barely launch the ball.

Shame FP appears to no longer be developed

[TerryRed]

Old thread... but the bottom line is... people need to correctly configure their KL25Z in order for the axis to show in FP. Many many people use it no problem.

 

You can only use the standard X,Y and Z axis to allow everything to work with pinscape. Some people may need to not have it act as both a Led-Wiz and gamepad at the same time depending on what other hardware they have.

 

To setup the axis to have enough gain, see this post:

 

https://pinballnirva...ge-in-fp.19833/

[wiesshund]

Old thread... but the bottom line is... people need to correctly configure their KL25Z in order for the axis to show in FP. Many many people use it no problem.

 

You can only use the standard X,Y and Z axis to allow everything to work with pinscape. Some people may need to not have it act as both a Led-Wiz and gamepad at the same time depending on what other hardware they have.

 

To setup the axis to have enough gain, see this post:

 

https://pinballnirva...ge-in-fp.19833/

 

Not a KLZ but what does one have to do to get FP so see any controller's axis?

tried on 3 pc's all windows 10
tried a real xbox 360 controller
Sees the buttons, shows no axis to pick

tried a logitech gamepad, same thing
buttons, no axis

tried a Saitek X56 rhino
All kinds of buttons, no axis at all.

 

even tried a PS3 and a Wii controller
Buttons, no axis

[Outhere]

The hardware I am using 2 ledwiz's For DOF, A Teensy for addressable lighting, IPac2 for Buttons and the KL25Z board the nudging & Plunger
The nudging & Plunger is working in FP
https://www.vpforums...p=413493&page=3

[TerryRed]

Something on your system is either not updated correctly, or is somehow restricting proper access,etc.

 

I've never had a problem with any controller showing in FP and I was always able to use the X, Y and Z axis.

 

I use XBOX 360 Gamepad (wireless, wired), Logitech gamepads (old and new), Logitech racing wheels (old and new), XBOX one gamepad, Pinscape.

 

All have always worked with no issues on the many computers I have built over the years as well as my ancient laptop.

[wiesshund]

Something on your system is either not updated correctly, or is somehow restricting proper access,etc.

 

I've never had a problem with any controller showing in FP and I was always able to use the X, Y and Z axis.

 

I use XBOX 360 Gamepad (wireless, wired), Logitech gamepads (old and new), Logitech racing wheels (old and new), XBOX one gamepad, Pinscape.

 

All have always worked with no issues on the many computers I have built over the years as well as my ancient laptop.

 

It's an FP specific thing of some sort, as everything else can see every part of the controllers just fine
and the one pc is a clean image of windows 10 enterprise from an ISO that is only 2 weeks old.

heck i tried an old directX 5 game for giggles, monster truck madness, and it worked.

[TerryRed]

What I'm saying is that they do work in FP as has been shown by many people... and there is nothing that can be changed on the FP side.

 

There's "something" else you aren't updating, or needs to be changed. I don't know if that's a direct X update (yes its needed on new Windows 10 installs)... Visual C++.... but something.

 

I saw a similar problem with people using Popper saying their controllers weren't working or detected... yet they did something on their system that somehow made them start working. Nothing was changed on Popper.

 

I'm not sure if "Enterprise" images can contribute to the problem, as they can sometimes don't include things deemed not needed for the "workplace".

[zebulon]

A little late to the game here but change your default language in windows to english, any other language will cause these symptoms.

[TerryRed]

A little late to the game here but change your default language in windows to english, any other language will cause these symptoms.

 

 

Are you referring to the axis not showing up or being available for pinscape / kl25z? If so... while that being an odd bug... at least it's an answer I can give others having the same problem.

 

FP's not the only app to have odd issues because of language settings in virtual pinball... but an issue like this would never have been seen by myself and many others.

[zebulon]

Pinscape, my plunger, Virtuapin plungers, it's the same bug across all gamepads.   Something in the way FP interfaces with the controller applet in windows in the settings screen of FP requires the native language of windows to be set to english.  Without that you have no access to the analog axis in the drop down menu.

 

It's been that way since day one.

[wiesshund]

Pinscape, my plunger, Virtuapin plungers, it's the same bug across all gamepads.   Something in the way FP interfaces with the controller applet in windows in the settings screen of FP requires the native language of windows to be set to english.  Without that you have no access to the analog axis in the drop down menu.

 

It's been that way since day one.

Wait, are you saying that if the PC language is other than english, that while you would have buttons in the drop downs, you would have no axis showing to pick from?

[TerryRed]

 

Pinscape, my plunger, Virtuapin plungers, it's the same bug across all gamepads.   Something in the way FP interfaces with the controller applet in windows in the settings screen of FP requires the native language of windows to be set to english.  Without that you have no access to the analog axis in the drop down menu.

 

It's been that way since day one.

Wait, are you saying that if the PC language is other than english, that while you would have buttons in the drop downs, you would have no axis showing to pick from?

 

 

 

It would seem so. It certainly correlates with some people who had problems with that issue, who don't speak English as their native language.

[wiesshund]

 

 

Pinscape, my plunger, Virtuapin plungers, it's the same bug across all gamepads.   Something in the way FP interfaces with the controller applet in windows in the settings screen of FP requires the native language of windows to be set to english.  Without that you have no access to the analog axis in the drop down menu.

 

It's been that way since day one.

Wait, are you saying that if the PC language is other than english, that while you would have buttons in the drop downs, you would have no axis showing to pick from?

 

 

 

It would seem so. It certainly correlates with some people who had problems with that issue, who don't speak English as their native language.

 

Rather than changing the OS language
i wonder, would it be possible to hand insert the axis into the registry?
I assume that is where FP stores those settings as well.

 

Strange that it would show button assignments yet no axis