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[mjr]

lol ,  the  meter when trying to calibrate it would move like an inch ,  and no more , and withing the game nothing would happen , ill try it now ,

 

i wish this web page  would let me post pics , but for some reason it wont let me ,

 

Try clicking the "VPF Image Host" link at the top of the browser window if you want to post images.

 

For the "it only moves an inch" calibration, are you talking about the Windows joystick control panel calibration?  If so, don't use that!!!  Use the one in the Pinscape Config Tool only.  If you ever ran the Windows joystick calibration, do this:

 

- Run it again (Start menu > "Set up USB game controllers")

- Double-click Pinscape Controller

- Click Settings

- Click "Reset to default"

 

Never click the Calibrate button there.

[RIJOSROBERTO]

my soldering skills are beyond suck lol, and still i am getting the same results ,

[mjr]

my soldering skills are beyond suck lol, and still i am getting the same results ,

 

Which results?

1.  Nothing happening at all

2.  Moving, but only moving an inch

 

Whichever it is, could you go through it step by step and tell me exactly how you wired it?  

[RIJOSROBERTO]

Ok so , its the same result.it moves and inch , even lesser then an inch i have the board wired exactly like the picture in your guide, the pot too , i also tried switching wires around , at one point when one of the wires made contact it turned off the pinscade and when i disconnected the wired it turned back on , but when i go into the settings menu where u can calibrate it , that is all that it is doing moving kess then an inch , when you take off the wires at least two of them the whole meter goes hay wire left and right

Edited by RIJOSROBERTO, 18 October 2017 - 12:42 PM.

[mjr]

Ok so , its the same result.it moves and inch , even lesser then an inch i have the board wired exactly like the picture in your guide, the pot too , 

 

I know it's tedious, but if you could go through STEP BY STEP and tell me what you actually did with the wiring (not just "I did what's in the guide", but what you actually did, with all the wire connections and ideally photos), I might be able to spot something that was wrong or missing in what I said in the guide.

 

Same goes for the calibration step.  Trying to talk "virtually" like this, it really helps if you can pretend I'm a 3-year-old and I don't even know what a mouse is, so really tell me in excruciating detail every exact mouse click you're doing so I can make sure I'm following along properly.  Again, I might be able to spot the step where something is going wrong.

 

 

 i also tried switching wires around , at one point when one of the wires made contact it turned off the pinscade and when i disconnected the wired it turned back on , 

 

I sounds like you shorted power to ground, which will trigger the overload protection on the USB port and cut all power to the port.  That will naturally reboot the KL25Z.  Most USB ports have little circuit breakers that automatically reset when you do this, so there shouldn't be any harm done, but I'd actually kind of recommend against messing with the wires too much with the power on.  There are probably ways you can short things out that are less benign.

 

 

when you take off the wires at least two of them the whole meter goes hay wire left and right

 

That's all to be expected, actually - what you've done by disconnecting one of the wires is made the circuit incomplete, which creates a randomized voltage on the sensor input port.  The randomized voltage will cause randomized readings on the port, which will cause randomized readings in the software.  

 

 

 but when i go into the settings menu where u can calibrate it , that is all that it is doing moving kess then an inch , 

 

When you say "it's moving less than an inch", I hear "it's moving!", which means the potentiometer probably isn't broken.  If the device were broken you probably would be seeing either the same kind of randomness you see when you disconnect some of the wires (for exactly the same reason - "broken" could mean "something's not connected inside", which would yield the same results as "one of the wires is disconnected outside"), or no action at all.  If you're seeing "moving an inch", that sounds like it's actually working and you just need to complete the calibration process.

[RIJOSROBERTO]

just saw the post , sorry , had to refresh the page ,  i tired to post pictures up but it wouldn't let me ,  thank you for your paitience , i know iam not easy to help , i learn-more by using my hands then direction ,

 

 

so far fp is reading a mouse , not the pinscade dont know why , going to try vp now

[RIJOSROBERTO]

ok , fp and vp read it now but the plunger in fp and vp are jumping , like up and down up and down , more like a tremble , like if your doing cherry pickers when you exorcise   and shaking at the same time , and when i move the pot it doesn't do anything with it , iam guessing it need s to be calibrated from withing the pinscade , settings ??? ,,

 

but the little invention that i made for it to attache to the plunger came off , so iam going to home depo now to see what i can find then pick up my wife from work and be back , i can still get the massages thru my cell, ,,  any suggestions  of something i can use for it that i can find at home depo ??

[mjr]

1. Please post your full VP Keyboard Preferences settings - take a screen shot if possible and post that.

 

2.  Did you run the Pinscape Config Tool plunger calibration procedure?  Run the Pinscape Config Tool.  Click the Plunger icon.  Click the Calibrate button.  Follow the on-screen instructions.

[RIJOSROBERTO]

ok i ran the calibration and that did it , it works on all of them now except 9.9.4 tried sea  witch with it , but plunger wouldnt move, thank god , nudge works just have to adjust it ,

 

 

http://vpforums.org/...allsettings.png

 

 

http://vpforums.org/...9.4settings.png

 

 

http://vpforums.org/...calibration.png

 

http://vpforums.org/...yscsettings.png

 

http://vpforums.org/...p10settings.png

 

 

just checked it with pinball fx 2 and it doesnt work maybey i need to do something to it ,

Edited by RIJOSROBERTO, 18 October 2017 - 11:39 PM.

[mjr]

ok i ran the calibration and that did it , it works on all of them now except 9.9.4 tried sea  witch with it , but plunger wouldnt move, thank god , nudge works just have to adjust it ,

 

 

http://vpforums.org/...allsettings.png

 

 

http://vpforums.org/...9.4settings.png

 

 

http://vpforums.org/...calibration.png

 

http://vpforums.org/...yscsettings.png

 

http://vpforums.org/...p10settings.png

 

 

just checked it with pinball fx 2 and it doesnt work maybey i need to do something to it ,

 

Sounds like some good progress!  

 

Thanks for the screen shots.  It looks like everything's consistent between FP and VP, so it sure seems like if one works, the other should too.  But I don't know much about FP.  Maybe some games work with analog nudge and some don't?  Ask around and see if anyone can suggest an FP game that they know for sure works with the accelerometer, and then try that game.

 

With the plunger in VP, it's DEFINITELY the case that some games simply don't work with mechanical plungers.  If it's working other VP versions but not in Sea Witch, it's probably just because Sea Witch doesn't work with ANY plunger device. 

 

The V1 Build Guide actually has some procedures for how to "fix" VP games that don't work with plungers.  Look for the section "Modify your Virtual Pinball tables to work with mechanical plungers".

 

As for Pinball FX, I'm afraid I don't know anything about those... hopefully someone else can help you with those.  If the accelerometer is working in VP, at least you know that the hardware is working right, which means it's just a matter of finding the right settings for FX.

Edited by mjr, 19 October 2017 - 07:18 PM.

[RIJOSROBERTO]

any time , thank you for showing me how to post them the pics , yeah so far so good , i hope that there able to be fixed , would be a shame to add a button as an extra plunger , i never seen a real pinball machine with one ,

 

also today i was able to fix pinball fx2 i found a program called x360ce basically its almost like xpadder except it transfers over what ever way you add your buttons  from pinscade and makes the desktop think its a controller so pinball fx2 has nudging and plunger movement , the nudging isnt as sensitive tho i have to figure that one out ,  i truly appreciate

all of your help and patience  and for teaching me all of this stuff , it was so over whelming at first but with your help and pushed me not to give up on the pot, which i was about too , thank god you convinced me not to give up on it , lol its pretty awesome ,  do you know the exact measurement using a regular carpenters measuring tape  , on how high the legs are supposed to be , because every time i google it i see cm , but i never see a regular measurement , just like some cab builds i see too ,

[mjr]

also today i was able to fix pinball fx2 i found a program called x360ce basically its almost like xpadder except it transfers over what ever way you add your buttons  from pinscade and makes the desktop think its a controller so pinball fx2 has nudging and plunger movement , the nudging isnt as sensitive tho i have to figure that one out 

 

Sounds promising!  I'll make a note to add something about x360ce to the Build Guide.  Hopefully you can find a way to adjust it within Fx2 or x360ce to get the sensitivity the way you want it.  If you do figure that you, it'd be great if you could let me know so I can add that to the guide too!

 

 

do you know the exact measurement using a regular carpenters measuring tape  , on how high the legs are supposed to be , because every time i google it i see cm , but i never see a regular measurement , just like some cab builds i see too ,

 

Is this what you're after?  These are the measurements to the screw hole centers taken from a real WPC machine.  (If you find measurements on the Web in centimeters, you can always just divide centimeters by 2.54 to get inches, as I'm sure you know.  But beware of Internet cab plans - I've seen a lot of incorrect information floating around, at least information that doesn't match real WPC measurements.)

 

 

Edited by mjr, 20 October 2017 - 03:17 AM.

[RIJOSROBERTO]

i definitely will , thank you so much i truly appreciate it that should be perfect , i know exactly what you  mean it was hard for me at first to try to come up with a design because of the wrong measurements i would find online so i started to build it around the sizes of the play field and bg play field is 55 and bg i think is 40 more or less flatscreen tv's had the 40 inch for a while collecting dust and the 55 inch bought on special at best buy open box for i think it was 250 at the time , , i just figured out a quick fix on how to take care of the tables that need a plunger button , i didn't know that fp has tables like that as well , i added a micro-switch so when the plunger hits it it acts like the lunch button , it aint the most perfect but its working so far , lol , but i noticed that if you want to to add an enter button using the 360 program for pinball fx2 your going to have to add a button to your pinscade because when iam using pinball x front end when you loose a game in pinball fx2 you need to press enter to restart it , it has no coins unless theres a way to add quarts that would be cool ,. so , at least that's the theory , until unless i find another way or there is another way lol , the block that iam using i bought yesterday from a store called hobby lobby it was i believe 3 dollars and some change for 6 of them , i figured if i brake one i have a spare , i put some hot glue on the wire to make sure it stays in place just in case something gets moved around , plus i noticed that was one of the issues the connection wasn't staying it wasn't making good contact every-time the wire was moved around for the pot , there fore making me think that i ruined it and that's why it was working , .

 

 

http://vpforums.org/...1018_185748.jpg

 

 

http://vpforums.org/...1019_190304.jpg

[wrd1972]

ok.... so i've decided to give the potentiometer option a try.... can someone tell me what wires go where on the freescale board??

I see Lemming has 3 wire hooked up??

 

Anyone know the make/model of this POT?

[RIJOSROBERTO]

hello every one happy new years , i had a quick question hopefully iam posting it in the right spot , sorry if iam not , which are the keyboard  keys that need to be pressed in order to be able to resize the future pinball play-fields ?? thank you in advance ,