Noah: There are lot's of tables release here and here only and that's A-OK, people can choose what they want to do with their work within the VP community. I said VP community, not VPF community. VPF is a leading site within this community and I don't imagine where we would be if you hadn't brought it back from the old site, but it is not THE community which you always seem to imply. The titles released exclusively here are very cool and IMHO I personally would wish that all sites hosted all tables. That's a pipe dream that won't happen so it is what it is, lines are drawn politically both in the real world and in VP world too. It truly sucks when these lines are thrown a bit light on them to ensure we know they are still there
Taking the opportunity to make this about VPF, respect and about Russ' awesome PinDMD is wrong. This is an author rightly asking both the new author and the site admin to abide by this site's own rules. That's all this is. If you want to call BS, whatever, but no matter where this was posted, Bord would have said the same thing.
BTW I 100% approve and support JPS request on his mods that should be posted here. It's a totally reasonable request and just like Bord' request is clear.
Your incredible politicized post will probably end up having more tables posted elsewhere instead of here. There is nothing progressive about your post that will entire authors to post here, it will just draw the lines thicker and clearer.
If you want things to improve, create a thread that can give you the information you need: "What reason do some authors prefer to not post their tables here at all". Maybe the answers will confirm what you think, maybe they'll go in a different direction. FYI to remove some of the assumptions, it's not all about politics and policies: I've been told by a couple of authors they have issues with limited PM mailbox which makes communication a pain in the ass and delays in approving uploads as some of the reasons why they don't bother
Hi Rob,
My post was far from political, but you've done a fine job of politicizing it. Bravo!
This is about the way these new members are being treated when they're just trying to do the right thing ... give back.
What I'm seeing is harsh and unfair treatment of our members by members who don't even contribute here. That's unacceptable, imo. There's a level of decorum that should be used in these matters, and in two straight weeks, it's been ... ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Am I the only one who can put himself in this guy's shoes? Really? Imagine how he must have felt when his excitement to share turned into ABSOLUTELY NOT. How demeaning.
To make this even more inappropriate, a recent
MOD was pulled down in just this fashion, and when I asked if they used another author's base table, they assured me, absolutely not, so I decided to run the table. The VERY first thing I see? "Table by: JPSalas"! Wtf?
So, you see, this isn't political, this is about community. If this is the takedown approach that's going to be taken in the future, it's going to be extremely destructive to new members having anything to do with table authoring. ALL of us started by modding first, right?
So, please, don't take this out of context. This isn't about anything more than, if you use
VPF as a resource to build a table, the only right thing to do is give back, and that's all the OP was trying to do.
Each table, no matter how much you think it's 'yours' took 20 years and hundreds of people to make possible. I think people are forgetting that.
Now, to address your 'community' comment, this site was started by actual founders of this hobby TAB, destruk, and a whole host of others made this site what it is and collectively christened it the community site. You can agree or disagree, but you really can't argue this site is the legacy of the who's who in this hobby.
And finally, yes, PinDMD was ripped off. Want proof? I have plenty, and I'll be happy to post it for all to see.
Thank you.