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[stuzza]

I've been out of the VP newest table loop for a while as I got busy with artwork and finishing other projects.  Anyway, with the new Pinball FX3 Williams tables and newer VPX I'm looking to get back into actually playing my cab!  However I found my GFX card is just not up to scratch anymore.  Gave up on VPX when the first tables came out as they didn't play well on my rig and just installed PinballFX3 but have major stutter on any of the williams tables - older non williams are ok.  Currently have a GTX 750.  (i5, 8GB RAM, 240GB SSD, Win7)

 

So I'm looking at upgrading to a Gigabyte GTX 1060 3GB or 6GB Mini ITX model (to fit in my case).

 

Is there any real gain in going for a 6GB RAM over the 3GB version for VP or pinballFX3?  I'm running at 1080p for the playfield and will not be upgrading to 4k.  I run 3 screens off of the card.

 

Thanks in advance.

[ClarkKent]

A GTX1060 3GB is enough for 4k - a friend is using an older GTX970 and he has constant 60fps on his 4k monitor. The i5 you have is also enough.

[STAT]

i.m.o. also 1050Ti - for not 4K

Edited by STAT, 15 October 2018 - 12:43 PM.

[stuzza]

Thanks guys.  I might just splurge for the 6GB model anyway as price difference is only about $60 AUS.  Good to know the 1060 is grunty enough.

[smellar]

G'day stuzza, arsey from aussiearcade here ... not sure if you remember but I visited you way back back near the start of the year to see your your vp cab and talk briefly about artwork. I've still been working on my project, but real life got in the way majorly this year   I expect to finally get the cab assembled this week though, woohoo!

 

Back when I visited I was testing my planned cab hardware and using a Gigabyte GTX 560Ti card that i already had, running just 2 screens because I have a hardware DMD.  However I concluded after a bit that the card just wasn't gonna cut the mustard, so I sold it and bought an MSI GTX 1060 6GB (second hand to be affordable because of those stupid cryptominers pushing up prices, grrrrr).  Like you I'm only running 1080p for now, and with the 1060 card every table in VPX is perfectly smooth and slick   Admittedly I'm not running 3 screens, but the GPU utiisation is just idling along 99% of the time when running a table so I seriously doubt that adding a third screen for VPinMAME would have any impact on performance.  I haven't played FX3 so I can't offer any first-hand experience on that sorry.

 

As I understand it the extra memory on the 6GB card is really only useful for games that deal with large textures so they can be fully cached instead of paged in and out.  For 1080p the 3GB would probably do the job, but getting the 6GB card should position you for upgrading to a 4K playfield in the future when your existing screen craps itself ... that was my logic anyway lol.  And as you said, it's not a lot more to pony up to the 6GB to achieve that future-proofing.

[Mustang1961]

i5, 8GB RAM, 240GB SSD, Win7

 

if this is DDR4 it is exact what I use. Both monitors are connected via HDMI (DVI-D). Currently I have 394 tables (VP9x, VPX5, PM5 and FP) installed, only one show slight stutters (Freedom VPX), but we like to play this table as well, the stutter is not so bad. 

[STAT]

Freedom ? Strange ...

[Mustang1961]

yes Stefan, strange!

[Thalamus]

I guess it is backglass related issue you are seeing Christian.

Tried this one ? https://www.vpforums...showtopic=34591

[Nemo]

Also to take in consideration is the fact any and all 10XX does NOT do analog out, digital ONLY, could become a bit pesky if you have an analog DMD or backglass.

[exradar]

I wrote this a while back, but I think it still holds true.

 

https://www.vpforums...=38516&p=385853

[Mustang1961]

I guess it is backglass related issue you are seeing Christian.

Tried this one ? https://www.vpforums...showtopic=34591

... next weekend! I will report.

[stuzza]

Also to take in consideration is the fact any and all 10XX does NOT do analog out, digital ONLY, could become a bit pesky if you have an analog DMD or backglass.

 

Yeah I've been looking into this.  My DMD 17" LCD is VGA only.  I thought a DVI-D to VGA "active" cable may work and I actually have one on order but from further research it may not work on the 1060.  Although some reviews I've seen people with 1050 series get them to work?.  I think there was an article on nvidia website saying that the Displayport can be used with a DP-VGA cable on the 10XX series.  I guess I'll find out once the card arrives!  Worst case scenario I'll have to swap out my 17" LCD for another one with DVI.  Of course it is the hardest one to remove as it is mounted halfway in the backbox and main cab!!! 

[Nemo]

Yes, luckily there are converters available that do work, still a shame Nvidia dropped analog support completely.......and those converters are a bit pricey.....

 

This one is €45 in the Netherlands........add that to the hyper inflated gpu prices these days and you've got a moneypit on your hands 

[gtxjoe]

For VGA monitor support, you need a VGA to DVI-I cable (it has the 4 analog pins) and your Video card needs a DVI-I port with those 4 pinholes.   (A DVI-D port will not have the 4 pinholes which are needed for analog)

 

[stuzza]

For VGA monitor support, you need a VGA to DVI-I cable (it has the 4 analog pins) and your Video card needs a DVI-I port with those 4 pinholes.   (A DVI-D port will not have the 4 pinholes which are needed for analog)

 

 

 

Yeah I know about DVI-I, D etc...  The issue is the GTX 10 series cards don't have analogue support so no DVI-I connectors.  The card I'm getting has 2 x DVI-D ports (ie. digital only).  I just got in my DVI-D to VGA "Active" adapter today and tested it on a work pc on a DVI-D only port and it worked!  (that was an onboard gfx though, will still have to test on the 1060 once I get it).  The Active cable has a chip or circuitry in it to convert the signal from Digital to Analogue - as opposed to a normal "passive" DVI-VGA adapter which works on DVI-I ports.

 

There are too many damn monitor connection and cable types though and it drives me insane.  I work in IT and supply equipment to companies and no matter what cables/adapters we keep in stock there is always some different one we need to get in for a particular job or hardware. - HDMI, mini HDMI, micro HDMI, DP, Mini DP, VGA, DVI-D, DVI-I..... !!

[Mustang1961]

I tried them ALL. Be careful. On the analog way there are limitations in the resolution. I was able to use 1920 x 1080 only when both sides uses digital interfaces.

 

I guess it is backglass related issue you are seeing Christian.

Tried this one ? https://www.vpforums...showtopic=34591

... next weekend! I will report.

 

tried it yesterday, I replaced the LED displays by Plasma- look digits - load - and the stutter is - GONE. Thank you Sverre for the hint. I would not have come up with that!!!

[stuzza]

Happy to report that the DVI to VGA active adaptor I bought on ebay is working fine on my new GTX 1060!